[JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Richard Jones
jonat@autox.team.net
Sun Feb 1 11:29:18 2004
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Bob,
As discussed previously, most active drivers from the Jaguar Club of =
MN will be up in Winnepeg for the classic car event there (scheduled at =
the same time as JONAT) and will therefore be unable to drive with the =
JONAT group headed the opposite direction. The JONAT schedule, as =
currently revised, may enable the two groups to meet briefly in =
Winnepeg. =20
I would expect we could draw a few people out for the JONAT tour from =
the Minneapolis/St. Paul area who would drive the leg from Minneapolis =
into Wisconsin, probably none going further than Madison or Milwaukee. =
The number of participants could depend in part on the cost of the tour =
(these people are used to driving this route for free). At a $40 fee, =
I'm guessing maybe 6 Jags. I hope to have a better idea in a couple of =
weeks, after our next newsletter comes out.
I would like to add to your question to SC's, Bob: 1) Is there anyone =
who will be taking (attempting to take) the entire tour - full circle? =
C'mon -- by now you know who you are! 2) What cars will they be driving =
(any historically significant)? 3) Are there any known special interest =
stories. These are three major areas important for publicity. =20
Dick.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Dick
No indication of numbers yet. Perhaps I can ask that question of =
the SC's - how many of your locals do you think will come out, and what =
percentage will be doing multiple sectors?
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 11:41 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
$65 sounds high to me, since I think many participants will jump =
on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off after a pleasant, =
but relatively short, drive. A high fee would discourage these drivers' =
participation. Is there any indication of how many folks plan on doing =
more than a short regional leg or two? =20
Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It seems to me that a =
single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might be adequate to cover all =
organizational expenses (hats, badges, printing), eliminating the need =
for any sector fees. A set amount from the general fund could be =
forwarded to each SC to draw from to cover regional printing expenses. =
If there is a special sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to =
implement, then I could see collecting a small participation fee from =
just the people who want to attend that event at the time the event =
takes place; those that choose not to attend the event wouldn't pay this =
fee. =20
At this point in time, having no input on the number of =
participants, it is difficult to schedule an event. More information is =
needed to come up with a decent proposal. =20
Dick.
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From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Dick
The idea is to keep things simple as this is an all volunteer =
effort. The simplest thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, =
and the sectors to collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less =
manageable for us volunteers (much better, however, for the =
participants) if we had to dole out money based on requests from the =
Sectors. My own personal opinion is that the Sectors need to collect =
and manage their own finances.
I suppose if we collect $65 for the tour, rather than $45, and =
send the extra $20 to the participants' home sector, this might be =
workable. We need to keep it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. =
How does that sound as an alternative ...
Bob=20
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 5:19 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
Bob,
As I look at this some more, the question keeps popping =
up....What is the rationale for doing both central and sector fees? =
Wouldn't it be more manageable to have just one flat fee for =
participation in the tour, which would be the same for everyone, =
regardless of the number of sectors travelled? So what if people =
travelling multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This would =
enable all of the money to all be funneled into one place (central =
committee) where it could be managed basically by one person. If SC's =
need funds for approved requests, the central committee would then =
simply disperse the reimbursements from this pot and always know exactly =
where things stand financially. =20
Dick.
Minnesota SC.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: [JONAT] How do we collect fees ?
I've put some thought into this lately, and have come up =
with Tour fees collected centrally, and Sector fees collected by the =
Sector. The downside to this is people will be sending their money all =
over the place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies =
passing between central and/or the sectors. This might not be the best =
way though ... any other thoughts?
We will probably also need fairly quickly a couple of =
registration people, one for the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal =
comments? I have started to put together some registration pages at =
http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm if you =
want to see how things are going on this ... note that when you submit =
your registration by e-mail it does not work yet.
Bob=20
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Dr Gregory Andrachuk
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:57 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ =
!
And, how exactly are these fees (both general and sector) to =
be collected?
Gregory
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As discussed previously, most active drivers from =
the Jaguar=20
Club of MN will be up in Winnepeg for the classic car event there =
(scheduled=20
at the same time as JONAT) and will therefore be unable to drive =
with the=20
JONAT group headed the opposite direction. The JONAT schedule,=20
</FONT><FONT size=3D2>as currently revised, may enable the two groups =
to meet=20
briefly in Winnepeg. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would expect we could draw a=20
few people out for the JONAT tour from the =
Minneapolis/St.=20
Paul area who would drive the leg from Minneapolis into Wisconsin, =
probably=20
none going further than Madison or Milwaukee. The number of =
participants could depend in part on the cost of the tour (these =
people=20
are used to driving this route for free). At a $40 fee, I'm =
guessing=20
maybe 6 Jags. I hope to have a better idea in a couple of =
weeks,=20
after our next newsletter comes out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would like to add to your question to SC's,=20
Bob: 1) Is there anyone who will be taking (attempting =
to=20
take) the entire tour - full circle? C'mon -- by now you =
know who=20
you are! 2) What cars will they be driving (any historically=20
significant)? 3) Are there any known special interest =
stories. =20
These are three major areas important for publicity. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 01, =
2004 8:58=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How do =
we collect=20
fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D975395614-01022004><FONT =
size=3D2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D975395614-01022004><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D975395614-01022004><FONT size=3D2>No indication =
of numbers=20
yet. Perhaps I can ask that question of the SC's - how many of =
your=20
locals do you think will come out, and what percentage will be doing =
multiple sectors?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT color=3D#008000>Bob =
England<BR></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's =
North=20
American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route =
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org"><FONT color=3D#008000=20
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard=20
Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 11:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] How do we =
collect fees=20
?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>$65 sounds high to me, since I think many =
participants=20
will jump on the tour as it passes near their home, and jump off =
after a=20
pleasant, but relatively short, drive. A high fee would =
discourage=20
these drivers' participation. <FONT color=3D#000080>Is there =
any=20
indication of how many folks plan on doing more than a short =
regional leg=20
or two? </FONT> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Re: Greg's question on fee collection -- It =
seems to me=20
that a single low general tour fee ($45 or less) might=20
be adequate to cover all organizational expenses (hats, =
badges,=20
printing), eliminating the need for any sector fees. A set =
amount=20
from the general fund could be forwarded to each SC to draw from =
to=20
cover regional printing expenses. If there is a =
special=20
sector 'event' scheduled which required funds to implement, =
then I=20
could see collecting a small participation fee from just =
the people=20
who want to attend that event at the time the event takes place; =
those=20
that choose not to attend the event wouldn't pay this =
fee. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>At this point in time, having no =
input on the=20
number of participants, it is difficult to schedule an =
event. =20
More information is needed to come up with a decent =
proposal. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January =
31, 2004=20
5:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] How =
do we=20
collect fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>The idea is =
to keep=20
things simple as this is an all volunteer effort. The =
simplest=20
thing if for JONAT central to collect it's fees, and the sectors =
to=20
collect theirs, so one flat fee I think would be less manageable =
for us=20
volunteers (much better, however, for the participants) if we =
had to=20
dole out money based on requests from the Sectors. My own =
personal=20
opinion is that the Sectors need to collect and manage their own =
finances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I suppose =
if we collect=20
$65 for the tour, rather than $45, and send the extra $20 to the =
participants' home sector, this might be workable. We need =
to keep=20
it a fixed amount though to keep it simple. =
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004><FONT size=3D2>How does that sound as =
an=20
alternative ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D547472523-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Richard Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 =
5:19=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[JONAT] How=20
do we collect fees ?<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
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SessionId=3D"816857382"></LABEL>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As I look at this some more, the question =
keeps=20
popping up....What is the rationale for doing both =
central and=20
sector fees? Wouldn't it be more manageable to have =
just=20
one flat fee for participation in the tour, which would =
be the=20
same for everyone, regardless of the number of </FONT><FONT=20
size=3D2>sectors travelled? So what if people =
travelling=20
multiple sectors get more bang for their buck? This =
would=20
enable all of the money to all be funneled into one =
place=20
(central committee) where it could be managed basically by one =
person. If SC's need funds for approved =
requests, the=20
central committee would then simply disperse the =
reimbursements from=20
this pot and always know exactly where things stand =
financially. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Minnesota SC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
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href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, =
January 31,=20
2004 12:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] How =
do we=20
collect fees ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>I've =
put some=20
thought into this lately, and have come up with Tour fees =
collected=20
centrally, and Sector fees collected by the Sector. =
The=20
downside to this is people will be sending their money all =
over the=20
place, the upside is it keeps it distributed, with no monies =
passing=20
between central and/or the sectors. This might not be =
the best=20
way though ... any other thoughts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D543114718-31012004><FONT size=3D2>We will =
probably=20
also need fairly quickly a couple of registration people, =
one for=20
the US, and one for CANADA. Jamie/Fazal =
comments? I have=20
started to put together some registration pages at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm">h=
ttp://jonat.org/bob/RegistrationForm/RegistrationPageTest.htm</A> if=
=20
you want to see how things are going on this ... note that =
when you=20
submit your registration by e-mail it does not work=20
yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#008000><STRONG>Bob</STRONG></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
class=3D543114718-31012004> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Dr Gregory Andrachuk<BR><B>Sent:</B> January =
31, 2004=20
10:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ=20
!<BR><BR></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And, how exactly are these fees (both =
general and=20
sector) to be collected?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2> =20
=20
=20
Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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