[JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Brad Preiss
jonat@autox.team.net
Tue Jan 27 17:35:01 2004
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MessageNo shunning from me - I agree 100%
If only to promote the Ownership of Jags and future growth in Jag clubs -
and they want to pay the entrance fee ( and that is what again?? ) - let 'em
in and put 'em to the back of the line....
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Steve Clark
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:44 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in......
I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are overworking
this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the procession
must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join in the
spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving a Jag,
I suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than inserting
themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police it in
any event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of groupies
trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think
most would understand and honour this type of request.....hey we could even
take it one step further and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I
was a Jag!"
Let the shunning begin!
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but
some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. Though I
think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha owner who we
forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys coffee sometimes)
mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway.
However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, make
it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag
club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar car (except
the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over discussed. It
simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is helping us out may
come along. AND there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite
the opposite.
That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club
members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to
accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's
sponsoring car club or organization.
So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say we
can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I will now
run for some office somewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the rear
of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. One, it's
a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the
Tour.
There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway.
Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!).
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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shunning from me - I agree 100% </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D000251400-28012004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>If=20
only to promote the Ownership of Jags and future growth in Jag clubs - =
and they=20
want to pay the entrance fee ( and that is what again?? ) - let 'em =
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put 'em to the back of the line....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D000251400-28012004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Brad</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve=20
Clark<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 =
--->=20
was Controversy 101<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs =
in......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are =
overworking=20
this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the =
procession=20
must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join =
in the=20
spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving =
a Jag, I=20
suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than =
inserting=20
themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police =
it in any=20
event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of =
groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) =
:-). I think most would understand and honour this type of=20
request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a =
static=20
cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Let=20
the shunning begin!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Ian Bailey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =
Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As Bob has stated in my Sector =
(Saskatchewan)=20
we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that =
can go=20
on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, =
except our=20
one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with =
because he=20
buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like =
him=20
anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I have said previously =
that as long as=20
we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, =
etc. I=20
see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his =
present=20
non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be =
advertised nor=20
over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club =
member who=20
is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative =
impact on=20
the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That being said:....I would =
limit non-Jag=20
cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in =
the=20
organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the =
Tour who=20
is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20
organization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I seem to fit in with all the =
other emails=20
on this topic as I say we <STRONG><EM>can</EM></STRONG> have non-Jag =
cars=20
and we <STRONG><EM>can not</EM></STRONG> have non-Jag cars. I think =
I=20
will now run for some office somewhere.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, =
2004 7:28=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
---> was Controversy 101</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>For my part I am quite strongly opposed =
to the=20
"Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been =
discussed over=20
he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. =
Two, it=20
promotes clique-ism on the Tour.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>There likely won't be all that many =
non-Jags=20
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>Anyone else feel the same (or do I run =
away and=20
hide again!).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type &=20
'72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
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size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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