[JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Fazal Cader
jonat@autox.team.net
Tue Jan 27 20:21:01 2004
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MessageIts a pity that most Jag groupies are greying, elderly men =
somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept as =
pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack =
at home for this one)
:-)
Fazal
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From: Steve Clark=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in......
I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are =
overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join =
the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner =
wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if =
they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the =
procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there =
is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it =
as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a =
rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour =
this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and =
give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"
Let the shunning begin!
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] =
On Behalf Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but =
some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. =
Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha =
owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys =
coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway.
However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, =
make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM =
if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar =
car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over =
discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is =
helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on =
the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20
That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only =
Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no =
reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the =
Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization.
So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say =
we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I =
will now run for some office somewhere.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the =
rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit. =
One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes =
clique-ism on the Tour.
There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway.
Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!).
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its a pity that most Jag groupies are =
greying,=20
elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept =
as=20
pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack =
at home=20
for this one)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstephen_clark@transcanada.com=20
href=3D"mailto:stephen_clark@transcanada.com">Steve Clark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, =
2004 6:43=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
---> was Controversy 101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs =
in......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are =
overworking=20
this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the =
procession=20
must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join =
in the=20
spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving =
a Jag, I=20
suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than =
inserting=20
themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police =
it in any=20
event. I'd like to think of it as more a collection of =
groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) =
:-). I think most would understand and honour this type of=20
request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a =
static=20
cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Let=20
the shunning begin!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>Ian Bailey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =
Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As Bob has stated in my Sector =
(Saskatchewan)=20
we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that =
can go=20
on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, =
except our=20
one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with =
because he=20
buys coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like =
him=20
anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I have said previously =
that as long as=20
we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, =
etc. I=20
see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his =
present=20
non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be =
advertised nor=20
over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club =
member who=20
is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative =
impact on=20
the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That being said:....I would =
limit non-Jag=20
cars completely to only Club members that are helping out in =
the=20
organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the =
Tour who=20
is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20
organization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I seem to fit in with all the =
other emails=20
on this topic as I say we <STRONG><EM>can</EM></STRONG> have non-Jag =
cars=20
and we <STRONG><EM>can not</EM></STRONG> have non-Jag cars. I think =
I=20
will now run for some office somewhere.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, =
2004 7:28=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
---> was Controversy 101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>For my part I am quite strongly opposed =
to the=20
"Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been =
discussed over=20
he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. =
Two, it=20
promotes clique-ism on the Tour.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>There likely won't be all that many =
non-Jags=20
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>Anyone else feel the same (or do I run =
away and=20
hide again!).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type &=20
'72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
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size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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