[JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101

Fazal Cader jonat@autox.team.net
Tue Jan 27 20:21:01 2004


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MessageIts a pity that most Jag groupies are greying, elderly men =
somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept as =
pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack =
at home for this one)
:-)

Fazal
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steve Clark=20
  To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:43 AM
  Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101


  Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in......

  I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are =
overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join =
the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner =
wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if =
they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the =
procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there =
is no way we can really police it in any event.  I'd like to think of it =
as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a =
rock star with groupies) :-).  I think most would understand and honour =
this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and =
give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"

  Let the shunning begin!
    -----Original Message-----
    From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] =
On Behalf Of Ian Bailey
    Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM
    To: jonat@autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101


    As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but =
some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. =
Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha =
owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys =
coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway.

    However, I have said previously that as long as we promote Jaguars, =
make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM =
if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present non-Jaguar =
car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised nor over =
discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member who is =
helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative impact on =
the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20

    That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to only =
Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no =
reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the =
Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization.

    So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I say =
we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I =
will  now run for some office somewhere.

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Bob=20
      To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
      Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM
      Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101


      For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at the =
rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last bit.  =
One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes =
clique-ism on the Tour.

      There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway.

      Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!).

      Bob England
      '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
      Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
      Route Coordinator
      http://www.jonat.org


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its a pity that most Jag groupies are =
greying,=20
elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would accept =
as=20
pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack =
at home=20
for this one)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dstephen_clark@transcanada.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:stephen_clark@transcanada.com">Steve Clark</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, =
2004 6:43=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
  ---&gt; was Controversy 101</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs =
in......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
  agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are =
overworking=20
  this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join the =
procession=20
  must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner wants to join =
in the=20
  spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if they are not driving =
a Jag, I=20
  suggest we encourage them to follow the procession rather than =
inserting=20
  themselves amongst the Cats but there is no way we can really police =
it in any=20
  event.&nbsp; I'd like to think of it as&nbsp;more a&nbsp;collection of =

  groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a rock star with groupies) =

  :-).&nbsp; I think most would understand and honour this type of=20
  request.....hey we could even take it one step further and give them a =
static=20
  cling decal saying "I wish I was&nbsp;a Jag!"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Let=20
  the shunning begin!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On =
Behalf=20
    Of </B>Ian Bailey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30=20
    AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] =

    Controversy 102 ---&gt; was Controversy 101<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As Bob has stated in my Sector =
(Saskatchewan)=20
    we have a Jag club but some members presently do not have a Jag that =
can go=20
    on this trip. Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, =
except our=20
    one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with =
because he=20
    buys coffee sometimes)&nbsp;mostly because he is Italian and we like =
him=20
    anyway.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I have said previously =
that as long as=20
    we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, =
etc. I=20
    see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his =
present=20
    non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be =
advertised nor=20
    over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club =
member&nbsp;who=20
    is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative =
impact on=20
    the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That being said:....I would =
limit&nbsp;non-Jag=20
    cars&nbsp;completely to only Club members that are helping out in =
the=20
    organization etc. I see no reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the =
Tour who=20
    is not a member of the Sector 's sponsoring car club or=20
    organization.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I seem to fit in with all the =
other emails=20
    on this topic as I say we <STRONG><EM>can</EM></STRONG> have non-Jag =
cars=20
    and we <STRONG><EM>can not</EM></STRONG> have non-Jag cars. I think =
I=20
    will&nbsp; now run for some office somewhere.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
      href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, =
2004 7:28=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
      ---&gt; was Controversy 101</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D784291113-27012004>For my part I am quite strongly opposed =
to the=20
      "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has been =
discussed over=20
      he last bit.&nbsp; One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. =
Two, it=20
      promotes clique-ism on the Tour.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D784291113-27012004>There likely won't be all that many =
non-Jags=20
      anyway.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
      class=3D784291113-27012004>Anyone else feel the same (or do I run =
away and=20
      hide again!).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
      England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type &amp;=20
      '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
      Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
      href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
      =
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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