[JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Fazal Cader
jonat@autox.team.net
Wed Jan 28 00:01:01 2004
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MessageProbably, but after seeing that looong bonnet, how do they react =
to you?
:-)
F
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From: Steve Clark=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
You gotta move north...I've had women jump outta their cars at red =
lights to take a picture of the E
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From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] =
On Behalf Of Fazal Cader
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:20 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Its a pity that most Jag groupies are greying, elderly men somewhat =
outside the parameters of what society would accept as =
pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel pack =
at home for this one)
:-)
Fazal
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steve Clark=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs in......
I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we are =
overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to join =
the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag owner =
wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the merrier....if =
they are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the =
procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but there =
is no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to think of it =
as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always wanted to be a =
rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would understand and honour =
this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step further and =
give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a Jag!"
Let the shunning begin!
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net =
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ian Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:30 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
As Bob has stated in my Sector (Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club =
but some members presently do not have a Jag that can go on this trip. =
Though I think they are all trying to get a Jag, except our one Alpha =
owner who we forgive (by forgive I mean put up with because he buys =
coffee sometimes) mostly because he is Italian and we like him anyway.
However, I have said previously that as long as we promote =
Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar sponsorship, etc. I see NO =
PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us on this sector with his present =
non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This does not need to be advertised =
nor over discussed. It simply means a fellow car-lover and club member =
who is helping us out may come along. AND there will be no negative =
impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the opposite.=20
That being said:....I would limit non-Jag cars completely to =
only Club members that are helping out in the organization etc. I see no =
reason to accept any non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the =
Sector 's sponsoring car club or organization.
So I seem to fit in with all the other emails on this topic as I =
say we can have non-Jag cars and we can not have non-Jag cars. I think I =
will now run for some office somewhere.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob=20
To: jonat@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:28 AM
Subject: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101
For my part I am quite strongly opposed to the "Non-Jags at =
the rear of the convoy approach" that has been discussed over he last =
bit. One, it's a logistical PITA for the organizers. Two, it promotes =
clique-ism on the Tour.
There likely won't be all that many non-Jags anyway.
Anyone else feel the same (or do I run away and hide again!).
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Probably, but after seeing that looong =
bonnet, how=20
do they react to you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dstephen_clark@transcanada.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 28, =
2004 2:33=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
---> was Controversy 101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D717223203-28012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>You=20
gotta move north...I've had women jump outta their cars at red lights =
to take=20
a picture of the E</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A =
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net">jonat-admin@autox.team.net</A>=
=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Fazal=20
Cader<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:20 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A><BR><B>Subje=
ct:</B>=20
Re: [JONAT] Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy =
101<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Its a pity that most Jag groupies =
are greying,=20
elderly men somewhat outside the parameters of what society would =
accept as=20
pretty/sexy/attractive. (I think I'll leave my Viagra/Trojan travel =
pack at=20
home for this one)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fazal</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstephen_clark@transcanada.com=20
href=3D"mailto:stephen_clark@transcanada.com">Steve Clark</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January =
28, 2004=20
6:43 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
---> was Controversy 101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Flame suit on, Kevlar Suit on, earplugs=20
in......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>I agree with the cliquism, elitism concern and I think we =
are=20
overworking this.....as far as I am concerned, anyone that want to =
join=20
the procession must de facto be a fan of the Jag...if a non Jag =
owner=20
wants to join in the spirit of things, hey the more the =
merrier....if they=20
are not driving a Jag, I suggest we encourage them to follow the=20
procession rather than inserting themselves amongst the Cats but =
there is=20
no way we can really police it in any event. I'd like to =
think of it=20
as more a collection of groupies trailing us (I always =
wanted to=20
be a rock star with groupies) :-). I think most would =
understand and=20
honour this type of request.....hey we could even take it one step =
further=20
and give them a static cling decal saying "I wish I was a=20
Jag!"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093619-27012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Let the shunning begin!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net] =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Ian Bailey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 27, =
2004 8:30=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[JONAT]=20
Controversy 102 ---> was Controversy 101<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As Bob has stated in my Sector=20
(Saskatchewan) we have a Jag club but some members presently do =
not have=20
a Jag that can go on this trip. Though I think they are all =
trying to=20
get a Jag, except our one Alpha owner who we forgive (by forgive =
I mean=20
put up with because he buys coffee sometimes) mostly =
because he is=20
Italian and we like him anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I have said previously =
that as=20
long as we promote Jaguars, make it a "Jaguar" tour, get Jaguar=20
sponsorship, etc. I see NO PROBLEM if a Jag club member joins us =
on this=20
sector with his present non-Jaguar car (except the Alpha). This =
does not=20
need to be advertised nor over discussed. It simply means a =
fellow=20
car-lover and club member who is helping us out may come =
along. AND=20
there will be no negative impact on the Tour, in fact, quite the =
opposite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That being said:....I would=20
limit non-Jag cars completely to only Club members =
that are=20
helping out in the organization etc. I see no reason to accept =
any=20
non-Jaguar on the Tour who is not a member of the Sector 's =
sponsoring=20
car club or organization.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So I seem to fit in with all =
the other=20
emails on this topic as I say we <STRONG><EM>can</EM></STRONG> =
have=20
non-Jag cars and we <STRONG><EM>can not</EM></STRONG> have =
non-Jag cars.=20
I think I will now run for some office =
somewhere.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January =
27, 2004=20
7:28 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [JONAT] =
Controversy 102=20
---> was Controversy 101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>For my part I am quite strongly =
opposed to=20
the "Non-Jags at the rear of the convoy approach" that has =
been=20
discussed over he last bit. One, it's a logistical PITA =
for the=20
organizers. Two, it promotes clique-ism on the=20
Tour.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>There likely won't be all that many =
non-Jags=20
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D784291113-27012004>Anyone else feel the same (or do I =
run away=20
and hide again!).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 =
size=3D1>'69 E-Type=20
& '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour =
(JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#008000=20
=
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
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