[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Bob
jonat@autox.team.net
Sat Jan 31 12:00:04 2004
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Dick
Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout
until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in.
Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the
pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional
costs (printing plus pin greater than $10).
Any monies left over is to go to charity.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Re:
"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they
cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work
their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.
-----
I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other
than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements).
If you are
referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and
the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also,
I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and
0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go?
Dick Jones
Minnesota SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ...
"fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under
discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say
let's set it at that!
"route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no,
that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me
feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right
now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is
that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT
causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided.
The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place.
Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there
is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma -
not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have
had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and
will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some
feelers out but no definitive response.
"total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of
individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do
our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even
later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and
we are working on a methodology now.
"decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're
close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the
weekend.
"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should
we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how
they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.
"While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have
got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for
these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But
also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either.
Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be
outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see
them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type
organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much
as possible.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time
Team,
Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask ,
Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have
been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:
I don't think a:
1. fee has been decided for even the National side
2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )
3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned
4. decision on who can participate has been finalized
5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should
we/they cover some of the costs up front
Among others.....
While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have
got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for
these other details will obviously not be needed.
DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP
Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking
about.....
Brad Preiss
Virginia SC
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D195264418-31012004><FONT =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D195264418-31012004><FONT size=3D2>Up front costs =
would include,=20
for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as =
registrations are=20
paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't =
cover much,=20
so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some =
sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater =
than=20
$10).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D195264418-31012004><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D195264418-31012004><FONT size=3D2>Any monies left =
over is to=20
go to charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT color=3D#008000>Bob =
England<BR></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's =
North American=20
Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT color=3D#008000=20
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard=20
Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 10:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] decision time --- =
REALLY=20
IMPORTANT READ !<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Re: =20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has =
been=20
developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover =
some of=20
the costs up front</STRONG><SPAN =
class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> -=20
that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. =
There is=20
no seed fund at a Tour level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements =
are=20
anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not =
expecting any=20
costs (or any reimbursements). If you=20
are</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>referring to things like printing optional=20
sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by =
the=20
anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what =
happens=20
when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- =
where=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004>does the =
remainder=20
go?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>Dick =
Jones</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>Minnesota =
SC</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV></FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV></DIV>
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<A title=3Dengl@accesscomm.ca =
href=3D"mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djonat@autox.team.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, =
2004 9:29=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision =
time ---=20
REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi=20
Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them =
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>fee has been decided for even the =
National=20
side</STRONG><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - =
no, still=20
under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the =
Sector=20
fee, I say let's set it at =
that!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>route has been =
finalized ( guilty=20
here as well in Virginia )</STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - no, that is up the =
the SC's,=20
and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route =
as of=20
yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should =
be=20
decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that =
if an SC=20
has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a =
problem=20
for EVERYONE downstream, and should be=20
avoided.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004>The=20
one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in =
place. =20
Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by =
pass as=20
there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. =
Dallas=20
and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the =
SC/ASC=20
group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that <FONT=20
color=3D#ff0000>ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the =
decision=20
myself</FONT>. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some =
feelers out=20
but no definitive response.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>total of participants by sector =
has been=20
mentioned</STRONG><SPAN =
class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - the=20
number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon =
how=20
well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until =
say end of=20
March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this =
point=20
is registration, and we are working on a methodology=20
now.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>decision on who can participate =
has been=20
finalized</STRONG><SPAN =
class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - I=20
think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by =
the end=20
of the weekend.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
=
class=3D470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV=
>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how =
the=20
SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20
front</STRONG><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - =
that is up=20
to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is =
no seed=20
fund at a Tour level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>While the ideas of emblems and =
badges and=20
the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR =
issues here=20
first - or the need for these other details will =
obviously not be=20
needed.</STRONG><SPAN class=3D470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> =
- you are=20
spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small =
issues=20
either.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D470150115-31012004>Brad these type of comments are good and =
I would=20
encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are =
behind=20
where I would like to see them too. There is always a last =
minute rush=20
on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and =
want to=20
avoid it as much as possible.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000>Bob=20
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D1>'69 =
E-Type & '72=20
XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route=20
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A =
href=3D"http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#008000=20
size=3D1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
jonat-admin@autox.team.net=20
[mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Brad=20
Preiss<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 30, 2004 10:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision time=20
<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Team,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and =
I have to=20
ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY =
details that=20
have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> I don't think a:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>1. fee has been decided for even the National=20
side</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>2. route has been finalized ( guilty =
here as=20
well in Virginia ) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>3. total of participants by sector has been=20
mentioned</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>4. decision on who can participate has been=20
finalized</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>5. process has been developed on how the =
SC's get=20
reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up=20
front</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Among others.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice =
- We have=20
got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need=20
for these other details will obviously not be=20
needed.</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS =
REQUIRED=20
ASAP</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike =
was=20
talking about.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Brad Preiss</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D420191704-31012004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
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