[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !

Dr Gregory Andrachuk jonat@autox.team.net
Sat Jan 31 16:27:04 2004


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I am with you, Dick. Some of us have day jobs.
                                Gregory
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Jones 
  To: jonat@autox.team.net 
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !



    Bob,

    While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins.  Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities.  My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee.  That's it.

    As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide
    http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically
    to establish a route, with recommended hotels, restaurants, and stopping points of interest.  While I am enjoying doing these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much more.

    Dick
    Minnesota SC  
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bob 
      To: jonat@autox.team.net 
      Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM
      Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !


      Dick

      Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in.  Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10).

      Any monies left over is to go to charity.

      Bob England
      '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
      Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
      Route Coordinator
      http://www.jonat.org

      -----Original Message-----
      From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
      Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
      To: jonat@autox.team.net
      Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !


        Re:  
        "process has been developed on how the  SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.  There is no seed fund at a Tour level.
        -----
        I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's.  Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements).  If you are
        referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee?  Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go?

        Dick Jones
        Minnesota SC

        ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Bob 
          To: jonat@autox.team.net 
          Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM
          Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !


          Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ...

          "fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion.  If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that!

          "route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet.  This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month.  What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided.

          The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place.  Wisconsin is close to having one.  Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest.  Toronto, I think we are now close.  Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself.  That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response.


          "total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR.  We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors).  One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now.

          "decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend.

          "process has been developed on how the  SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.  There is no seed fund at a Tour level.

          "While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on.  But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either.

          Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken.  There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too.  There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible.
          Bob England
          '69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
          Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
          Route Coordinator
          http://www.jonat.org

          -----Original Message-----
          From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss
          Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
          To: jonat@autox.team.net
          Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time 


          Team,

          Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:

           I don't think a:

          1.  fee has been decided for even the National side
          2.  route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia ) 
          3.  total of participants by sector has been mentioned
          4.  decision on who can participate has been finalized
          5.  process has been developed on how the  SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front

          Among others.....

          While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed. 

          DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP

          Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about.....


          Brad Preiss

          Virginia SC


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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am with you, Dick. Some of us have day jobs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=rjones@mn.rr.com href="mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com">Richard Jones</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
  href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:16 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] decision time --- 
  REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector 
    travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, 
    and distribute their pins.&nbsp; Morever, these pins can be more expensive 
    than you might think when ordered in small quantities.&nbsp; My vote would 
    be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your 
    registration fee.&nbsp; That's it.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that 
    the anticipated activities for&nbsp;SC's may be escalating above the 
    description given in the SC Guide</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2><A 
    href="http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm">http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm</A>&nbsp;which 
    is basically</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>to establish a route, with recommended hotels, 
    restaurants, and stopping points of interest.&nbsp; While I am enjoying 
    doing&nbsp;these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much 
    more.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Minnesota SC&nbsp; </FONT></DIV></DIV>
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV 
      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> 
</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
      href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 
      12:58 PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision time 
      --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT size=2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT size=2>Up front costs would 
      include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as 
      registrations are paid and the money starts coming in.&nbsp; Keep in mind 
      $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you 
      will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing 
      plus pin greater than $10).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT size=2>Any monies left 
      over&nbsp;is to go to charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>
      <P><FONT size=2><STRONG><FONT color=#008000>Bob England<BR></FONT><FONT 
      color=#008000 size=1>'69 E-Type &amp; '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North 
      American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A 
      href="http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT color=#008000 
      size=1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
      <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
      jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf 
      Of </B>Richard Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 10:47 
      AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] 
      decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE id=0><LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="2320220260"></LABEL>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>Re:&nbsp; 
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
        color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how the 
        &nbsp;SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up 
        front</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - that 
        is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.&nbsp; There 
        is no seed fund at a Tour 
level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
        color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>-----</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are 
        anticipated by SC's.&nbsp; Other than voluteered time, I was not 
        expecting any costs (or any reimbursements).&nbsp; If you 
        are</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>referring to things like printing optional 
        sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the 
        anticipated&nbsp;$10 sector fee?&nbsp;&nbsp;Also, I am wondering what 
        happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent 
        -- where </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN 
        class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>does the remainder 
        go?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>Dick Jones</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004>Minnesota SC</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
        color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
        class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV></FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV></DIV>
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          <DIV 
          style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
          <A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A> 
          </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net 
          href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 
          9:29 AM</DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision 
          time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them 
          ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>fee has been decided for even the 
          National side</STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - no, still under 
          discussion.&nbsp; If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector 
          fee, I say let's set it at 
          that!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>route&nbsp;has been finalized&nbsp;( 
          guilty here as well in Virginia&nbsp;)</STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - no, that is up the the 
          SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their 
          route as of yet.&nbsp; This does not concern me too much right now, 
          but should be decided by the end of the month.&nbsp; What does concern 
          me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra 
          day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be 
          avoided.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>The 
          one&nbsp;difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place.&nbsp; 
          Wisconsin is close to having one.&nbsp; Indiana, I think we will by 
          pass as there is no interest.&nbsp; Toronto, I think we are now 
          close.&nbsp; Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple 
          of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have 
          decided that <FONT color=#ff0000>ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and 
          will make the decision myself</FONT>.&nbsp; That only leaves Carolinas 
          and I have some feelers out but no definitive 
          response.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>total of participants by sector has 
          been mentioned</STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - the number of 
          individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we 
          do our PR.&nbsp; We probably won't have a good idea until say end of 
          March (or even later in some Sectors).&nbsp; One of the keys at this 
          point is registration, and we are working on a methodology 
          now.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>decision on who can participate has 
          been finalized</STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - I think we're close - 
          I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the 
          weekend.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how the 
          &nbsp;SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up 
          front</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - that 
          is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances.&nbsp; There 
          is no seed fund at a Tour 
          level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT 
          color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>While the ideas of emblems and badges 
          and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR 
          issues here first - or the need for&nbsp;these other details will 
          obviously&nbsp;not be needed.</STRONG><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - you are spot on.&nbsp; 
          But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues 
          either.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
          class=470150115-31012004>Brad these type of comments are good and I 
          would encourage all to be outspoken.&nbsp; There are a few items that 
          are behind where I would like to see them too.&nbsp; There is always a 
          last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally 
          hate that part and want to avoid it as much as 
          possible.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV>
          <P><FONT size=2><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#008000>Bob 
          England<BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 size=1>'69 E-Type 
          &amp; '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route 
          Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A 
          href="http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 
          size=1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
          <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
          size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
          jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On 
          Behalf Of </B>Brad Preiss<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 30, 2004 10:30 
          PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] 
          decision time <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Team,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike&nbsp;100% and I 
          have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there 
          ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY&nbsp;- 
          seriously:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004></SPAN><SPAN 
          class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>&nbsp;I don't think a:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;fee has been decided for even the National 
          side</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;route&nbsp;has been finalized&nbsp;( guilty here 
          as well in Virginia&nbsp;)&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;total of participants by sector has been 
          mentioned</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>4.&nbsp;&nbsp;decision on who can participate has been 
          finalized</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>5.&nbsp;&nbsp;process has been developed on how the &nbsp;SC's 
          get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up 
          front</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Among others.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - 
          We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the 
          need for&nbsp;these other details will obviously&nbsp;not be 
          needed.</FONT>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED 
          ASAP</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was 
          talking about.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Brad Preiss</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
          size=2>Virginia SC</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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