[JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Dr Gregory Andrachuk
jonat@autox.team.net
Sat Jan 31 16:27:04 2004
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I am with you, Dick. Some of us have day jobs.
Gregory
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From: Richard Jones
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Bob,
While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate, and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your registration fee. That's it.
As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the description given in the SC Guide
http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm which is basically
to establish a route, with recommended hotels, restaurants, and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying doing these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much more.
Dick
Minnesota SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Dick
Up front costs would include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind $10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing plus pin greater than $10).
Any monies left over is to go to charity.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Jones
Sent: January 31, 2004 10:47 AM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Re:
"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.
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I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you are
referring to things like printing optional sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent -- where does the remainder go?
Dick Jones
Minnesota SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !
Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them ...
"fee has been decided for even the National side" - no, still under discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector fee, I say let's set it at that!
"route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )" - no, that is up the the SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now, but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be avoided.
The one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place. Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have decided that ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and will make the decision myself. That only leaves Carolinas and I have some feelers out but no definitive response.
"total of participants by sector has been mentioned" - the number of individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this point is registration, and we are working on a methodology now.
"decision on who can participate has been finalized" - I think we're close - I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the weekend.
"process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front" - that is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There is no seed fund at a Tour level.
"While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed." - you are spot on. But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues either.
Brad these type of comments are good and I would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally hate that part and want to avoid it as much as possible.
Bob England
'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6
Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)
Route Coordinator
http://www.jonat.org
-----Original Message-----
From: jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Brad Preiss
Sent: January 30, 2004 10:30 PM
To: jonat@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [JONAT] decision time
Team,
Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY - seriously:
I don't think a:
1. fee has been decided for even the National side
2. route has been finalized ( guilty here as well in Virginia )
3. total of participants by sector has been mentioned
4. decision on who can participate has been finalized
5. process has been developed on how the SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up front
Among others.....
While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the need for these other details will obviously not be needed.
DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED ASAP
Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was talking about.....
Brad Preiss
Virginia SC
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am with you, Dick. Some of us have day jobs.</FONT></DIV>
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Gregory</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rjones@mn.rr.com href="mailto:rjones@mn.rr.com">Richard Jones</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT] decision time ---
REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>While it may be nice to have a pin for each sector
travelled, it isn't very practical to have each sector develop, fabricate,
and distribute their pins. Morever, these pins can be more expensive
than you might think when ordered in small quantities. My vote would
be - if you are registered, you get a nice hat with the logo as part of your
registration fee. That's it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As I read more posts, I am getting a little concerned that
the anticipated activities for SC's may be escalating above the
description given in the SC Guide</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A
href="http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm">http://www.jonat.org/bob/JONAT_COORDINATORS_Guide.htm</A> which
is basically</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>to establish a route, with recommended hotels,
restaurants, and stopping points of interest. While I am enjoying
doing these core activities, I know I would have little time to do much
more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Minnesota SC </FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004
12:58 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision time
--- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT size=2>Dick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT size=2>Up front costs would
include, for example, printing costs for the handout until such time as
registrations are paid and the money starts coming in. Keep in mind
$10 doesn't cover much, so, for example, if we decide on the pin idea, you
will likely need some sponsorship to cover the additional costs (printing
plus pin greater than $10).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=195264418-31012004><FONT size=2>Any monies left
over is to go to charity.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG><FONT color=#008000>Bob England<BR></FONT><FONT
color=#008000 size=1>'69 E-Type & '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North
American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A
href="http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT color=#008000
size=1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Richard Jones<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 31, 2004 10:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [JONAT]
decision time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Re:
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how the
SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up
front</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - that
is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There
is no seed fund at a Tour
level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>-----</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>I'm not clear on what costs/reimbursements are
anticipated by SC's. Other than voluteered time, I was not
expecting any costs (or any reimbursements). If you
are</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>referring to things like printing optional
sector-specific handouts, and the like, wouldn't that be covered by the
anticipated $10 sector fee? Also, I am wondering what
happens when say $400 is collected in sector fees, and 0-$100 is spent
-- where </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>does the remainder
go?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>Dick Jones</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>Minnesota SC</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV></FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=engl@accesscomm.ca href="mailto:engl@accesscomm.ca">Bob</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonat@autox.team.net
href="mailto:jonat@autox.team.net">jonat@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, 2004
9:29 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT] decision
time --- REALLY IMPORTANT READ !</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hi Brad ... here are some answers as I understand them
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>fee has been decided for even the
National side</STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - no, still under
discussion. If everyone can live with the $10 for the Sector
fee, I say let's set it at
that!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>route has been finalized (
guilty here as well in Virginia )</STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - no, that is up the the
SC's, and about half of the SC's have not given me feedback on their
route as of yet. This does not concern me too much right now,
but should be decided by the end of the month. What does concern
me is that if an SC has not looked at their route and need an extra
day, THAT causes a problem for EVERYONE downstream, and should be
avoided.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=470150115-31012004>The
one difficulty is where we do not have a few SC's in place.
Wisconsin is close to having one. Indiana, I think we will by
pass as there is no interest. Toronto, I think we are now
close. Dallas and Oklahoma - not close - have sent out a couple
of e-mails to the SC/ASC group and have had ZERO response - I have
decided that <FONT color=#ff0000>ZERO response means "DON'T CARE" and
will make the decision myself</FONT>. That only leaves Carolinas
and I have some feelers out but no definitive
response.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>total of participants by sector has
been mentioned</STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - the number of
individuals participating in each sector is dependant upon how well we
do our PR. We probably won't have a good idea until say end of
March (or even later in some Sectors). One of the keys at this
point is registration, and we are working on a methodology
now.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>decision on who can participate has
been finalized</STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - I think we're close -
I'll try to put together a policy for review by the end of the
weekend.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>process has been developed on how the
SC's get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up
front</STRONG><SPAN class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - that
is up to the SC's and how they work their Sector finances. There
is no seed fund at a Tour
level.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>"</SPAN>While the ideas of emblems and badges
and the sort are nice - We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR
issues here first - or the need for these other details will
obviously not be needed.</STRONG><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004><STRONG>"</STRONG> - you are spot on.
But also we should not stifle the ideas on the small issues
either.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=470150115-31012004>Brad these type of comments are good and I
would encourage all to be outspoken. There are a few items that
are behind where I would like to see them too. There is always a
last minute rush on volunteer type organizations, and I personally
hate that part and want to avoid it as much as
possible.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=2><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#008000>Bob
England<BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 size=1>'69 E-Type
& '72 XJ6<BR>Jaguar Owner's North American Tour (JONAT)<BR>Route
Coordinator<BR></FONT></STRONG></FONT><A
href="http://www.jonat.org/"><FONT face=Arial color=#008000
size=1><STRONG>http://www.jonat.org</STRONG></FONT></A></P></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
jonat-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:jonat-admin@autox.team.net]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Brad Preiss<BR><B>Sent:</B> January 30, 2004 10:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jonat@autox.team.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [JONAT]
decision time <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Team,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Not to be a pessimist - but I agree with Mike 100% and I
have to ask , Bob - In reference to you r comments below, are there
ANY details that have been decided on FIRMLY -
seriously:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004></SPAN><SPAN
class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> I don't think a:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>1. fee has been decided for even the National
side</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>2. route has been finalized ( guilty here
as well in Virginia ) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>3. total of participants by sector has been
mentioned</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>4. decision on who can participate has been
finalized</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>5. process has been developed on how the SC's
get reimbursed should we/they cover some of the costs up
front</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Among others.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>While the ideas of emblems and badges and the sort are nice -
We have got to solidify some of these MAJOR issues here first - or the
need for these other details will obviously not be
needed.</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>DIRECTION/DECISIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS REQUIRED
ASAP</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Sorry about being so frank but it is the jist of what Mike was
talking about.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Brad Preiss</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=420191704-31012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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