Fw: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen

[Timothy Tyner]

The murder of innocent Native Americans, not to mention African-Americans,
went on for far more than 2 decades (and many more dead than even at the
hands of Hitler).  Do I condone anything Saadam and his regime has done?  Of
course not.  But please do not paint the US as some peace loving, all good,
based on Christian values, always take the moral high ground, etc etc.  If
another country had stepped in to stop the atrocities dealt to the Native
Americans at the hands of this countries leadership, and had brought war to
this soil, and was killing inncont women and children, simply as a neccesity
of war, what tune would the American people be singing?  Did peace give 'us'
this country you ask?  No.  It was biult on the burial mounds of million of
men women and children who had the unfortunate circumstance of living here
for hundreds of years before 'America' was 'discovered'.   You are right, as
long as man rules, war will be a part of humanity.  But hey, at least you
can watch your football programs.

Toolman

-------Original Message-------

From: Timothy L. Sorrells
Date: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 13:45:55
To: VBN Media
Cc: Shotimes
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen

I'd like to be politically correct, but sorry, it's just not me.

I understand that Al-Jazeer and Abu Dhabi tv are carrying coverage. I also
understand the severity of the issue.
At the same time, I'm remembering 2 planes hitting the twin towers, one
hitting the pentagon and one hitting the ground in Pennsylvania. Watching as
people jumped out of the World Trade Center versus burning to death like
several thousands did on September 11th, 2001.

I also see the people that have survived in this war, the children who are
starving to death because Mr. Saddam had to have a golden chandelier, golden
water spouts, and several lavish mansions. Also the plight of the majority
Shiite Muslims that have been persecuted by a ruthless dictator for 2
decades.

The majority of us, myself included, cannot even conceive the notion of how
these people lived and died. They have been involved in war for the last 30
years.

We may not find chemical weapons. We may not find proof of chemical weapons,
so what is what I say. Saddam Hussein has committed so many crimes to
humanity since he started ruling, he should have been gone a decade ago.

But my earlier comment may have been misunderstood. The rest of the ARAB
world see's this as agression from the US. I've read so many articles of
people wanting to join Iraq in the fight, or becoming suicide bombers. They
are blind to see that we are trying to help a country whose leader kills his
own people and threatens to kill them. Does George Bush tell you that you
will die if you do not fight? No, I think not. Does the military fire
grenades at you because you are trying to be free? No, again.

Wake up!!! Peace has never worked, never will, sorry, but the truth as I see
it. Hitler benefitted for years because people wanted to be peaceful, then
looked what happened. What about those innocent millions who died? And, the
innocent people who Saddam's Regime have killed.

Oh yeah, did peace give us this country? Did peace stop slavery? Answer to
those both, I think you know.

No, I don't like the idea of war, just like everyone else. But it's a
necessity of humanity and it will always be a part of our lives, like it or
not.

But hey, I'm thankful I am free and can watch the NFL, or what ever program
I want and not brainwashed by Iraqi tv.

-----Original Message-----
From: VBN Media [mailto:vbnmedia@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:14 PM
To: Timothy L. Sorrells
Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - Baghdad has fallen


not to rain on your parade Timothy, but the pictures
from inside Iraq's hospital are not as inspiring. we
have killed and maimed a lot of folks, wiping out
entire families and decimating a lot of property.
thousands killed (including military) and many
hundreds of women and children killed. try to burn
that reality into your mind. i join you in hoping for
the best possible outcome under the circumstances, but
as you may someday realize, people who opposed the
invasion has real reasons for it. this is not the
NFL.

floyd
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