[Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!

[Donald Mallinson]

Whoa Kemosabe (sp)

I don't think I EVER said that a Buick person would NEVER 
own a Pontiac ETc.  Yes there are some people that feel this 
way, but I don't feel that way, and never said that all 
people feel this way.  incorrect quote that should not be 
attributed to me.

It wasn't Ford's motor.  You need to get that through your 
brain.  From what I heard, Cosworth had been working on this 
upgrade to the GM motor and GM finally bit the bullet and 
bought it.  You don't think that Toyota and Honda built new 
from the ground up motors do you?  They used motors built on 
specs that everyone uses, and on a history that has been 
cribbed from Cosworth, GM, etc, etc.

There isn't much new in racing and hasn 't been for about 50 
years!  It is all a variation on a theme.

You need to realize that while Ford owns Cosworth, Cosworth 
remains an independent engineering firm, otherwise they 
would lose 95% of their business tomorrow. They work on 
projects for GM, the same way they work on projects for Ford 
and other customers.  One at a time, keeping projects 
separated and certain proprietary information secret from 
the various customers, even Ford.

Don Mallinson

Dave Kegel wrote:
> Don, It's called brand loyalty.  You were just adamantly saying recently how
> a Buick person would NEVER own a Pontiac, etc..
> 
> Yes, people realize that they can't get a 700 HP pushrod V8 in their FWD
> Monte Carlo, but they root for and buy Chevy products, based on this loyalty
> and to some extent how Chevy does in the various forms of racing.
> 
> Ford allowing Chevy to use their motor (and it is/was a Ford-owned motor,
> you can't argue that) is just plain stupid.  I think it was a bad decision,
> for several reasons, but we can stop arguing about it.
> 
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
> To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: July 28, 2003 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!
> 
> 
> 
>>Dave,
>>
>>You can't tell me that you actually believe that the
>>majority of people out there think that the motor run in any
>>top racing series, including NASCAR has any relationship to
>>what they buy!  The average person is just a bit sharper
>>than that.  Even the Olds Quad Four that WAS production
>>based for a while a least, wasn't fooling many people.
>>
>>The people that count KNOW who did the motor and what it is,
>>the rest of the people pretty much know that they can't buy
>>an IRL motor in their Impala.  Same with CART/Ford or F1 and
>>any maker there.
>>
>>It is corporate pride that they are going for and just
>>getting the name out.
>>
>>No con job, just racing.
>>
>>Don Mallinson
>>
>>Dave Kegel wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, but those numbers are miniscule and somewhat meaningless compared
>>
> to
> 
>>>the millions of "Race on Sunday, buy on Monday" fans that Chevy is
>>
> marketing
> 
>>>the new Gen 4 Chevy IRL motor too.  It's all a giant con job.  Chevy had
>>>nothing whatsoever to do with that motor.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Donald Mallinson" <dmall@mwonline.net>
>>>To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: July 28, 2003 12:45 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - IRL Gen 4 Chevy, NOT!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Everyone in the engineering and racing community KNOWS the
>>>>contribution that Cosworth made, and yesterdays race raised
>>>>their stock in trade a huge amount.  They got all the credit
>>>>they needed or asked for.  Quite often a deal like this is
>>>>kept secret.  I applaud Chevy for going public and fixing a
>>>>very embarrassing problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>
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