[Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan

[Ron Porter]

Also keep in mind that the Mustang II had some very good sales years in the
mid '70s.

In & of itself, it also wasn't a bad car....although considering the Mustang
lineage, it was a bit hard to take!!

Folks who weren't there really can't judge the cars of the '70s without
looking at all of what was available. There is a good reason why car
enthusiasts were heavy into custom vans back in those years!!

Some engines made it through '72 unscathed (Chrysler 340 comes to mind), by
all were poopy by '73.

Ron Porter

-----Original Message-----
From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul Nimz
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:29 PM
To: Jason Hartberger; Jarrod Clift; '_ShoTimes'
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan


>and Pontiac just butchered its name

That's how I feel about the Mustang II.  My brother had one with the 302 and

what a dog.  Of course this was during the initial emissions controlled 
engines as that all started in '71, IIRC. '72 for sure.

Paul Nimz
'97 TR
'93 EG mtx


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Hartberger" <at3hartberger@mail.com>
To: "Jarrod Clift" <clift@chartertn.net>; "'_ShoTimes'" 
<Shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan


>I have no issues with the LS1, and I agree that it's a fantastic engine, 
>but
> the reason I say what I do is, well, the LS1 is so common! they're even
> putting them in PT cruisers (not from the factory, tho), and it dilutes 
> the
> value of the engine, IMO. One of the reasons the SHO engine is so special 
> is
> because Ford never put it in another car, and very, very, very few other
> cars have a SHO engine. Hell, few other people know what a SHO engine is.
>
> Anyhoo, you're dead-on for all the other points. The GTO has a soul all 
> its
> own and a helluva history, especially for people that used to own one 
> (like
> my dad... feel old yet?), and Pontiac just butchered its name and its
> history by putting out this (foreign!) thing. They figured they could cash
> off the name with any ol' car. They were wrong. Cars aren't like shoes; 
> you
> can't just stick a name on it and make it 'good'.
>
> Jason
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jarrod Clift" <clift@chartertn.net>
> To: "'_ShoTimes'" <Shotimes@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 3:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan
>
>
>> The LS1 is one of the best V8's made IMO. The GTO is not selling well
>> because it looks bland and because the dealers were greedy and marking
>> it up way over sticker.  A lot of people wanted it to look more retro
>> styled, like the new mustang.  If it were called something other than
>> GTO a lot of the complaints (like styling) would go away.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
>> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jason Hartberger
>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 11:47 AM
>> To: Leigh Smith; '_ShoTimes'
>> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] OT - 2006 Mercury Milan
>>
>> I think the GTO isn't selling not because it's underappreciated by the
>> public, but because the public feels betrayed by Pontiac using an
>> australian
>> chassis around an engine that ain't 'all that and a bag of chips'. I
>> know it
>> goes fast, but it just doesn't look... like a GTO. It's a cheap sellout
>> and
>> the public knows it.
>>
>> Jason
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