[Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting

[Kirk Doucette]

My 91 does, its mounted to the drivers fender rail :)

Anyway.......   Anyone ever do a nice write up on converting over to the Gen
2 Style starter in a Gen 1? Ive seen a few done but they are all pretty
messy.

Kirk J Doucette
NESHOC President
Stormtrooper-97 White

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:57 PM
To: vanOss@centurytel.net
Cc: jkoper@frankgates.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting

Your 91 doesn't have a solenoid.  Hence the starter relay on the fender...

Could be a bad starter Bendix(late 60's Ford were notorious for that) or
there is enough goop inside the starter to hinder the engaging mechanism
which uses the magnetic field of windings to activate.

Kerby 'still on his original untouched starter' Haltom

-- "van Oss" <vanOss@centurytel.net> wrote:
I think my 91's behavior might be similar to what Jim is asking about.
Sometimes the first time I turn the key, I will hear the high-pitched sound
of the starter motor turning, but it is not meshed to the flywheel.  Usually
on the second try, the engine starts normally.  I interpret this as a weak
starter solenoid.

VO


----- Original Message -----
From: "Koper Jim" <jkoper@frankgates.com>
To: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:40 AM
Subject: [Shotimes] Clarification on: SHO cranking but not starting


Thanks to those that have offered their advice so far, but I think I didn't
word the problem correctly.

To clarify, the engine turns over slowly but does not catch. The starter has
that high 'whir' sound--it does not seem to engage the  flywheel at all. The
portion of the flywheel I could see with the starter removed was not missing
any teeth, so wouldn't the (new) starter engage OK? If the starter is good
but the flywheel bad, would the engine even turn at all? That's why I wonder
if maybe the DIS or coil are bad. I gotta remember to check if the fuel pump
is priming at KOEO.


<Original post below for those who wish to contribute:>

My '92 SHO is exhibiting a no-start behavior. I went to start it the other
day and it didn't quite catch after I released the ignition key. It was a
solid crank. "No big deal", I thought, "I'll try again." The second time I
tried it I heard an electric whirring sound, similar to when a starter is
bench tested. I figured the armature gear was not engaging the flywheel. The
starter was 4 years old (Ford reman), so I yanked it and put an Advanced
Auto Parts reman starter on the car. SAME WHIRRING SOUND occurred, so the
starter does not appear to be the weak link.

A few observations:

When the starter is whirring, I noticed the serpentine belt was turning,
though slower than what I'd think a normal crank would produce.

The engine does not catch now, but does turn.

Complete 60K done in summer 02 (10K miles ago). Timing belt, camshaft sensor
and crankshaft sensor replaced at that time.

New plugs and wires recently.

Until this happened, it always cranked solidly.

Any ideas? Would the DIS be bad? Ignition switch on its way out? Fuel
injection concerns? I want to pull the timing belt cover to verify the belts
OK.

Thanks in advance!

Jim Koper
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