[Shotimes] snow tires vs all season

Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT)

Being from Montana, and driving around in North
Carolina when they have snow and ice, really makes me
appreciate growing up where I did. This stuff isn't
THAT hard to drive on. It's called common sense. I
just like driving around all the accidents with the F
and her friends while they are like "How can you drive
on these roads?" ;-)

Shylo McKinsey

'01 White MTX

--- John Stout <sho_man1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ok so if Don lives in Southern Illinois, then what
> the hell do we classify where I live ??? Kentucky ??
> 
> Ron Porter <ronporter@prodigy.net> wrote:Well, I
> can't believe that someone in southern IL (well, WAY
> farther south
> than I am) would need snow tires, but....living out
> in the middle of
> nowhere, the roads probably aren't cleared as well.
> 
> For anyone living in my area who:
> 
> 1. Lives farther out in the country on 2-lane roads
> that may never be
> cleared.
> 2. Goes out for winter sports in heavier snow areas
> 3. Needs to drive on little-traveled roads that may
> not be cleared
> 
> May very well need snow tires. In the suburban
> areas, like here, during a
> heavy snow, I have two blocks of snow to drive
> through, then the major road
> gets plowed/salted pretty quickly. I need tires for
> slush/wet, and GOOD
> all-season M&S tires work just fine.
> 
> Plus, even after a heavy snow, the roads are
> basically clear within a day or
> two. I am not willing to sacrifice tire performance
> for 95-98% of the time
> in winter just to have better snow performance for a
> few days a year.
> 
> By design, the best snow tires will have softer
> compounds that work in
> cold/snowy weather, so they will naturally wear
> quicker on dry pavement. The
> original Blizzaks had the soft outer layer that
> quickly wears on dry
> pavement (they warned against it) and you then lose
> the ice capabilities.
> 
> To me, buying snow tires is like buying a dually
> F450 pickup as a daily
> driver because I need to tow a big boat/travel
> trailer maybe 5 days in the
> year. Not worth it.
> 
> Ron Porter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shotimes-admin@autox.team.net
> [mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Donald Mallinson
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:41 AM
> To: Ian Fisher
> Cc: shotimes@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Shotimes] snow tires vs all season
> 
> 
> Ian,
> 
> I don't agree with Ron on this issue (surprise!) :)
> 
> A good set of winter tires will outperform the best
> all 
> season tires by a wide margin. A better indicator of
> IF you 
> need them is how important it is that you be out on
> the few 
> really bad days you will get? If it is important,
> then get 
> winter tires.
> 
> I bought a set of Winter tires (Yokohama Guardex)
> for my '89 
> SHO at a time when I had to be at work every day
> (owner, 
> sole employee) and I loved them once I got used to
> the odd 
> handling (like having four tires low on air, till I
> pumped 
> them up to about 40 psi and just got used to it).
> 
> These tires are STILL going almost 8 years later. I
> drove 
> them for three winters and one entire summer. My son
> has 
> now used them for four more winters and they STILL
> have 
> enough tread to outperform new all-season tires.
> 
> Do NOT believe the myth that winter tires wear super
> fast, 
> they do not. Some high-performance versions may, but
> my 
> Yoko's felt like a gum eraser from an art store
> (super soft) 
> but have worn like iron.
> 
> I could take my SHO out and play with the snow plows
> and 
> that was a great feeling.
> 
> YOu want a more narrow tire for winter than summer.
> I think 
> the Guardex by Yokohama in 215-65-16 size should run
> you 
> under $80 per tire, maybe less than that. They are
> quiet 
> and have good dry traction, you just need to get
> used to the 
> very soft sidewalls giving an odd feeling when you
> turn the 
> wheel, but that is part of why they behave so well
> on snow/ice.
> 
> Don Mallinson
> 
> Ian Fisher wrote:
> > I just picked up a set of slicers to use for snow
> > duty. Was checking some prices on a tirerack ad
> that I
> > have. Cheapest snow tires I found (IIRC) were the
> > Dunlop Graspic's at $84ish. I think they were 215
> or
> > 225/55/16.
> > 
> > In NJ we don't get a lot of snow over a long
> period of
> > time. We may get 1-2 weeks of heavy snow, so when
> it's
> > here, it can be here in full effect. I am debating
> > getting all seasons with good M+S ratings or cheap
> > snow tires. Either way, the key words are cheap,
> wear
> > and grip (in snow and dry).
> > 
> > As soon as the roads clear up (late Jan-feb?), the
> > 17's with hipo rubber will go back on and the 16's
> > will sit in the shed for next winter.
> > 
> > opinions? reccomendations? 
> > 
> > thanks
> > Ian
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