[Zmagnette] Oil Filter

David Halliday davidh at egopharm.com
Sat May 24 15:30:30 MDT 2014 

Having just done a grease and oil change on my '58 ZBV this afternoon, the spin on oil filters can still be difficult!  I couldn't get it loose so used a filter spanner which tore a hole in the filter and ended up with just as much /more oil every where as I did changing the cartridge type oil filter in the past!  I always try so hard not to tighten the new filter too much!!

I have a Moss adapter and had no issue with the pipes. 

Kind regards, 
David Halliday 

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> On 24 May 2014, at 21:31, "Peter Martin" <petermartin903 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Marino" <jonnyprecious at comcast.net>
> To: <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:21 AM
> Subject: [Zmagnette] Oil Filter
> 
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I am basically trying to find out everything about this car, and I thank you
>> for your wealth of information. Cheers to Kelvin at Moss for pointing me to
>> this group.
>> 
>> So while I wait to pull the engine and such, I decided to take off the oil
>> filter.  I got this:
>> 
>> What filter is this? In the manual I have, I see nothing like it; I don't
>> see it in the Moss catalogue, either (at least I don't see any of the parts
>> they have in what I have). I am wondering if I want to go to the modern oil
>> filter adapter. My dad used to make them for TC's, and swore by them. What
>> think ye?
>> 
>> Peace out,
>> 
>> Jon M.
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>>  1. Re: First Gear Clankety Clank (Fletcher Millmore)
>>     (Allen Bachelder)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 01:21:17 -0400
>> From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] First Gear Clankety Clank (Fletcher Millmore)
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>> 
>> Fletcher,
>> 
>> Many thanks!
>> Allen
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
>>> 
>>> Allen-
>>> Problem with the C is likely lots of low end  + heavy feet + bad shifting.
>>> Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people never even used first.
>>> I have no experience - C did not amount to much in my part of the world.
>>> If 2nd is one of the gear sets with different tooth count, that may be an
>> issue - sometimes those reworks were not thought out real well - Triumph had
>> a lot of trouble as they changed tooth design (count and helix angle) for
>> obscure reasons, never clearly improving. You can use tooth counts that do
>> not really fit, by altering helix angle, sometimes necessary in the
>> application but not always real good.
>>> 
>>> 4 synch MGB are so close to bulletproof in the application that they
>> rarely break anything = more box than torque, though some are finally
>> getting pretty loose. I only ever had one apart, a very early and believed
>> to be defective, as I recall. There certainly were NO parts for the thing.
>>> 
>>> 3 synch is just as you say. The layshaft/bearings fail, and the tooth load
>> is moved to the tip = SNAP, or if used gently the teeth get horrible wear
>> until there is not enough left to carry the load, then snap. 3 synch only
>> break 2nd and/or rarely third when the shaft is so far gone that the gear is
>> about 1/4" from where it should be. If the shaft breaks, it takes out
>> everything including the case sometimes.
>>> The other 3 synch failure is bad crunching into R/1, which gnaws the teeth
>> away from the end until there is nothing left. The design is such that the
>> 1st gear part of the laygear essentially has only one tooth contact, so it
>> is weak. And I always thought that there may have been some inadequacy in
>> heat treatment, as it was fairly common that only one or two teeth would
>> show severe wear. All this usually takes until the layshaft is worn out, so
>> you then get the two fail modes together.
>>> 
>>> All comments re 3 synch apply to A series boxes too, though the later ones
>> got better.
>>> It all has a lot to do with using a 1950 design for another 30 years as
>> power and weight went up a lot.
>>> 
>>> FRM
>>> 
>>>> On 5/22/2014 11:39 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
>>>> Fletcher,
>>>> 
>>>> I've had this clankety clank experience with 2nd gear on my C/GT.  Seems
>> to be a bad habit with Cs - stories just like mine abound, and it's always
>> 2nd gear.  Hardly ever hear of the same catastrophic failure on Bs even
>> though, give or take a couple teeth here and there, it's the same box - and
>> not that different from the 3-sync A and Magnette boxes. Some very
>> provocative big bits did drain out of the C/GT gearbox and I later found
>> places to put them back on the laygear.  As an alternative to $$$ thousands
>> spent on a new laygear, I went to all MGB used gears. I rebuilt it with same
>> at a John Twist clinic back in 2008; it works like glass now, and I wish it
>> a long, happy, and prosperous future - for obvious reasons.
>>>> 
>>>> My question is what happens? Are folks inclined to run these cars hard in
>> 2nd because that's where most of the fun is? - Especially with the huge gap
>> to 3rd, and a 1st that redlines before you get halfway through an
>> intersection?  The Z Magnettes because 1st runs out so fast and the cars
>> were so gutless that the only feeling of "acceleration" (as opposed to
>> "gathering speed") was in 2nd; and the Cs because there was some real fun to
>> be had - but mostly in 2nd. Do the roller bearings on the layshaft thus wear
>> out creating too much lash, hence too much torque on the outer edges of the
>> teeth and eventual breakage? (Wild speculation here; but some folks may thus
>> think I sound like I actually know what I'm talking about! ;-)  )  Bottom
>> line: I've never heard of such a 2nd-gear failure on a B.  Why? Is it
>> because I haven't been around long enough?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Allen
>>>> 
>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =iii=<
>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>>> North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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>>>> eady_for_a_whole_lot_of_fun
>>>> *********************************************************************
>>>> *************************************************
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jon-
>>>>> Maybe somebody already drained out the big bits, or they are stuck
>> somewhere inside - though usually there are plenty. What do you know of car
>> history?
>>>>> Nothing else you can do except dismantle the box.
>>>>> What happens is the layshaft & bearings fail, and the gears run out of
>> line, which eats them. For that reason, it is good to pull the layshaft on
>> any unknown trans. Or they can fail on their own, but the shaft is always
>> worn out by then anyway. You have to know how to do this without having the
>> whole thing fall apart inside, and it is usually bad anyway.
>>>>> It is possible that somebody took it apart once and replaced the
>>>>> shaft but not the gears, as the gears are $$$$$ and sometimes hard
>>>>> to find. (It used to total about $75 long ago!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Remote possibility is a really bad u-joint, especially if the car has
>> been sitting a long time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> FRM
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/22/2014 7:15 PM, Jon Marino wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks Fletcher.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I drained the transmission oil and, lo and behold, nothing
>>>>>> shiny. Perhaps I detected a few miniscule specks of metal, but nothing
>> really noticeable.
>>>>>> Is there another way I can test to see if the gearbox is toast?
>>>>>> Thanks and peace out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jon M.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Zmagnette [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of zmagnette-request at autox.team.net
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:50 AM
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   1. First Gear Clankety Clank (Jon Marino)
>>>>>>   2. Re: First Gear Clankety Clank (Fletcher Millmore)
>>>>>>   3. Re: if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . . (Mike Coe)
>>>>>>   4. Re: if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>> (webuck1 at cox.net)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:35:19 -0700
>>>>>> From: "Jon Marino" <jonnyprecious at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [Zmagnette] First Gear Clankety Clank
>>>>>> Message-ID: <000001cf7577$3cece5b0$b6c6b110$@net>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK folks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just got done replacing the water pump and thermostat, so I am
>>>>>> flushing the cooling system. I do not want to drive the girl around
>>>>>> for any length of time, of course, but I did want to get it moving
>>>>>> to get the fluids going, if you will. After finally getting the car
>>>>>> started, I drove it around the block a few times. First gear
>> specifically is giving an obvious "clankety clank"
>>>>>> sound which goes away when I get into 2nd gear. Any thoughts? Oil
>>>>>> seems ok, I am a bit low on transmission oil, and beyond that I am
>> perplexed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best and peace out,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jon M.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Zmagnette [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of zmagnette-request at autox.team.net
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:22 PM
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>>>>>> Subject: Zmagnette Digest, Vol 8, Issue 84
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   1. Re: if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . . (Steve
>>>>>> Christiansen)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:22:58 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>> From: Steve Christiansen <schris51 at att.net>
>>>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <1400732578.17839.YahooMailNeo at web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think that Allen is correct. ?I have sent my counter check
>>>>>> written on a closed account for my portion of the cars. ?Written in
>>>>>> disappearing ink of course. ?When can my cars be delivered??
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Steve Christiansen
>>>>>> Ol Phartz Partz
>>>>>> 714-686-1236
>>>>>> www.olphartz.com
>>>>>> schris51 at att.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Steve Hanegan <steve at betterwitnesses.com>
>>>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm in... do you take Green Stamps?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve H.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, he's a cosmetic dental surgeon. That's where the big bucks
>>>>>> are. ?But let's get practical, gang. ?There are 115 of us.
>>>>>> ??100,000,000/115 and we could have this collection for less
>>>>>> than??870,000 each!*
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Federal, state, and local taxes, transfer and title fees not
>> included.
>>>>>> ?Some shipping charges may apply.?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For our??870,000 contributions, each of us would receive 3.97
>>>>>> collector-cars at a value of just??219,000 each. ?I think Steve
>>>>>> Kirby would be a good one to collect the money. ?He's done this for
>>>>>> us before and he's good at it. Make your checks out to Steve for
>>>>>> $1,400,000.00 US (remember ?1 = $1.61) nonrefundable deposit and
>>>>>> mail by June 1st. ?Should we fail to make the ?100,000,000
>>>>>> required, proceeds to be split between ZMG acting treasurer and acting
>> chairman.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder ? ? ? =iii=< Spring Creek Home for
>>>>>>> Wayward MGs
>>>>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
>>>>>>> North Street, MI 48049,
>>>>>>> USAhttp://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>>>>>> NAMGAR GT39 - REGISTER TODAY!
>>>>>>> http://www.namgar.com/events/article/gt-39_ottawa_ontario/gt-39_ge
>>>>>>> t_rea
>>>>>>> dy_f
>>>>>> or_a_whole_lot_of_fun
>>>>>>> ******************************************************************
>>>>>>> *****
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>> *******************************************
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Who sez there?s no money in dentistry!? I have bid $12.79 U.S.
>>>>>> dollars, hoping no one else bids.? This is nuts . . . . and I
>>>>>> thought a couple of us were obsessive, having more than one car.
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630564/Vroom-view-Dentis
>>>>>>>> t-car
>>>>>>>> s-ke
>>>>>> eps-enormous-warehouses-selling-450-classic-vehicles-100-MILLION.ht
>>>>>> ml
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> #2SteveK
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>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 03:01:36 -0400
>>>>>> From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
>>>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] First Gear Clankety Clank
>>>>>> Message-ID: <537DA0D0.3000405 at usachoice.net>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately for you, that is the characteristic of a dead gearbox.
>>>>>> Standard "gearbox kit" was 1st gear, laygear, layshaft, bearings,
>>>>>> 2nd synchro ring, and gaskets.
>>>>>> All 3 synch MG/Mag/A/B needed these all the time. I did hundreds of
>> them.
>>>>>> (same for the smaller A series Morris/spridget/mini ones) If you
>>>>>> drain the oil you will likely find a lot of shiny, hard metal -
>>>>>> that was the teeth off 1st and the laygear. If all the pieces are
>>>>>> small, you might get away with driving it gently when in 1st/rev
>>>>>> for quite a while, but if you find large pieces of teeth, death is
>> imminent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> FRM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/22/2014 12:35 AM, Jon Marino wrote:
>>>>>>> OK folks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I just got done replacing the water pump and thermostat, so I am
>>>>>>> flushing the cooling system. I do not want to drive the girl
>>>>>>> around for any length of time, of course, but I did want to get it
>>>>>>> moving to get the fluids going, if you will. After finally getting
>>>>>>> the car started, I drove it around the block a few times. First
>>>>>>> gear specifically
>>>>>> is giving an obvious "clankety clank"
>>>>>>> sound which goes away when I get into 2nd gear. Any thoughts? Oil
>>>>>>> seems ok, I am a bit low on transmission oil, and beyond that I am
>>>>>> perplexed.
>>>>>>> Best and peace out,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jon M.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Zmagnette [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of zmagnette-request at autox.team.net
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:22 PM
>>>>>>> To: zmagnette at autox.team.net
>>>>>>> Subject: Zmagnette Digest, Vol 8, Issue 84
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Send Zmagnette mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>> zmagnette at autox.team.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/zmagnette
>>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>> zmagnette-request at autox.team.net
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>>>>>>> specific than
>>>>>>> "Re: Contents of Zmagnette digest..."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    1. Re: if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . . (Steve
>>>>>>> Christiansen)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 21:22:58 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>> From: Steve Christiansen <schris51 at att.net>
>>>>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>> <1400732578.17839.YahooMailNeo at web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think that Allen is correct. ?I have sent my counter check
>>>>>>> written on a closed account for my portion of the cars. ?Written
>>>>>>> in disappearing ink of course. ?When can my cars be delivered??
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> Steve Christiansen
>>>>>>> Ol Phartz Partz
>>>>>>> 714-686-1236
>>>>>>> www.olphartz.com
>>>>>>> schris51 at att.net
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>  From: Steve Hanegan <steve at betterwitnesses.com>
>>>>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:15 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm in... do you take Green Stamps?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Steve H.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, he's a cosmetic dental surgeon. That's where the big bucks are.
>>>>>>> ?But let's get practical, gang. ?There are 115 of us.
>>>>>>> ??100,000,000/115 and we could have this collection for less
>>>>>>> than??870,000 each!*
>>>>>>>> *Federal, state, and local taxes, transfer and title fees not
>> included.
>>>>>>> ?Some shipping charges may apply.?
>>>>>>>> For our??870,000 contributions, each of us would receive 3.97
>>>>>>> collector-cars at a value of just??219,000 each. ?I think Steve
>>>>>>> Kirby would be a good one to collect the money. ?He's done this
>>>>>>> for us before and he's good at it. Make your checks out to Steve
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> $1,400,000.00 US (remember ?1 = $1.61) nonrefundable deposit and
>>>>>>> mail by June 1st. ?Should we fail to make the ?100,000,000
>>>>>>> required, proceeds to be split between ZMG acting treasurer and acting
>> chairman.
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>>>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder ? ? ? =iii=< Spring Creek Home for
>>>>>>>> Wayward MGs
>>>>>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT North Street, MI 48049,
>>>>>>>> USAhttp://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>>>>>>> NAMGAR GT39 - REGISTER TODAY!
>>>>>>>> http://www.namgar.com/events/article/gt-39_ottawa_ontario/gt-39_g
>>>>>>>> et_r
>>>>>>>> eady_f
>>>>>>> or_a_whole_lot_of_fun
>>>>>>>> *****************************************************************
>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>> ******
>>>>>>> *******************************************
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Who sez there?s no money in dentistry!? I have bid $12.79 U.S.
>>>>>>> dollars, hoping no one else bids.? This is nuts . . . . and I
>>>>>>> thought a couple of us were obsessive, having more than one car.
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630564/Vroom-view-Denti
>>>>>>>>> st-c
>>>>>>>>> ars-ke
>>>>>>> eps-enormous-warehouses-selling-450-classic-vehicles-100-MILLION.h
>>>>>>> tml
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> #2SteveK
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>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 06:32:06 -0600
>>>>>> From: "Mike Coe" <coefront at shaw.ca>
>>>>>> To: "List for the Z Magnette Group - North America"
>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>> Message-ID: <F56DF863D69D4638A841A3B65630D172 at OwnerHP>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well guys, thank goodness this fellow thinks as he does towards his
>>>>>> passion towards cars. Think, he?s a rare chap able to purchase
>>>>>> vehicles people can see. Rather than them disappearing into the world
>> of rust and non-repair.
>>>>>> It?s a person we should thanks' around; otherwise most of these
>>>>>> models would be gone. That he wishes the sum he?s asking isn?t out
>>>>>> of line. Someone wealthy [I wish it were I] will come along and pay
>>>>>> up. Now whether or not the collection will stay as one; as opposed
>>>>>> to being split up in sale following the sale, is a question.
>>>>>> But thanks God for blokes like this is all I can say, regardless as
>>>>>> to how he made his lolly. Certainly he?s a clever business man:
>>>>>> something some people like. Others that don?t.
>>>>>> But hey....the cars are alive!!!
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Mike ? Calgary
>>>>>> Ex-pat.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Steve
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:50 PM
>>>>>> To: zmagnette at autox.team.net
>>>>>> Subject: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Who sez there?s no money in dentistry!  I have bid $12.79 U.S.
>>>>>> dollars, hoping no one else bids.  This is nuts . . . . and I
>>>>>> thought a couple of us were obsessive, having more than one car.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630564/Vroom-view-Dentist-
>>>>>> cars-keep
>>>>>> s-enormous-warehouses-selling-450-classic-vehicles-100-MILLION.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #2SteveK
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 6:51:46 -0700
>>>>>> From: <webuck1 at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>>>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] if I had a 100 million plus pounds . . .
>>>>>> Message-ID: <20140522095146.7HTT8.605044.imail at fed1rmwml302>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm in. do you take box tops  for education? Each box top is worth
>>>>>> 10 cents to the school. I have a lot saved for the next school year
>>>>>> but could be put towards these nice cars.
>>>>>> Buckey
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---- Steve Hanegan <steve at betterwitnesses.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm in... do you take Green Stamps?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Steve H.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Well, he's a cosmetic dental surgeon. That's where the big bucks
>>>>>>>> are.  But let's get practical, gang.  There are 115 of us.
>>>>>>>> ?100,000,000/115 and we could have this collection for less than
>>>>>>>> ?870,000 each!*
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> *Federal, state, and local taxes, transfer and title fees not
>> included.
>>>>>> Some shipping charges may apply.
>>>>>>>> For our ?870,000 contributions, each of us would receive 3.97
>>>>>> collector-cars at a value of just ?219,000 each.  I think Steve
>>>>>> Kirby would be a good one to collect the money.  He's done this for
>>>>>> us before and he's good at it. Make your checks out to Steve for
>>>>>> $1,400,000.00 US (remember ?1 = $1.61) nonrefundable deposit and
>>>>>> mail by June 1st.  Should we fail to make the ?100,000,000
>>>>>> required, proceeds to be split between ZMG acting treasurer and acting
>> chairman.
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Allen
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ****************************************************************
>>>>>>>> Allen & Florrie Bachelder       =iii=<
>>>>>>>> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
>>>>>>>> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT North Street, MI 48049, USA
>>>>>>>> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
>>>>>>>> NAMGAR GT39 - REGISTER TODAY!
>>>>>>>> http://www.namgar.com/events/article/gt-39_ottawa_ontario/gt-39_g
>>>>>>>> et_
>>>>>>>> ready_for_a_whole_lot_of_fun
>>>>>>>> *****************************************************************
>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>> **************************************************
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Who sez there?s no money in dentistry!  I have bid $12.79 U.S.
>>>>>>>>> dollars,
>>>>>> hoping no one else bids.  This is nuts . . . . and I thought a
>>>>>> couple of us were obsessive, having more than one car.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630564/Vroom-view-Denti
>>>>>>>>> st-
>>>>>>>>> cars-keeps-enormous-warehouses-selling-450-classic-vehicles-100-
>>>>>>>>> MIL
>>>>>>>>> LION.html
>>>>>>>>> #2SteveK
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