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Bud,
In 1953 and 54 they were either Comanders (V-8) or Champions (6 cly) in 55 =
they added the President and beginning in1956 they were mildly restyled and=
given various Hawk names.
It's funny but a lot of TR owners are Studebaker lovers as well.
Ron Western Eagle Racing Jacobs
-------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" <budscars@comcast.net>: --=
------------=20
Thanks Bob..for the Terrific history...I am forwarding it to my Newsletter =
Group
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Robert Johns=20
To: RACER BUD ; Steven Preiss ; edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: Studebaker stories
All right guys, you have done it. I am going to have to tell you my tale o=
f woe. Visualize this! I was attending the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drivers=
School in Monza, Italy in 1956. After we attended classes, they grouped u=
s in classes (more like bunches) to do some racing.=20
After Studebaker had merged with Packard, they built a variation of the Haw=
k with the huge Packard engine of the day. What did I know of such things?=
I was stuck in Europe at the time. Guess what they stuck in the class w=
ith me, one of these monsters.=20=20
Off we went, racing our little hearts out. Me in my little TR2, the Stude =
(model?) Hawk, and several more interesting pieces of iron. That Stude wou=
ld blow my doors off going down the straight and I would pass him on the ne=
xt set of curves. Back and forth we went, and I think I finally got far en=
ough ahead of him that he didn't catch me again.=20
=20=20=20
Speaking of interesting iron. That race was my first and only experience o=
f running against a genuine Austin Healy S (not M, but S). They were not =
many built, and the Importer for Switzerland had this one, and it ran very =
well, with its cross flow head and lots of tricks.
Any ways, that is my Studebaker story.=20=20
Bob Johns
----- Original Message -----=20
From: RACER BUD=20
To: Steven Preiss ; edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..=
no fins...when the fins were added..they were literaly 'attached')..i saw a=
NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a movie which I cannot reme=
mber(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the cars that added to the racing b=
ug
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steven Preiss=20
To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a Studebaker nut, a passion (=
or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited from his dad. They would wor=
k into the night in the carport on one or another of their cars, droplights=
providing a weary glow. The cars, which as I recall ranged from a 1950 con=
vertible, painted red with a white top, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 a=
nd glass packs, always seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of way. A=
buddy of theirs had what they referred to as 'the Studebaker farm', which =
was actually a small dairy farm, the main pasture of which was lined with o=
ver 100 Studebakers that had been hauled in from all over the countryside a=
nd carefully placed side by side around the perimeter, providing an endless=
supply of parts and projects. Martin was a somewhat laconic fellow who car=
peted his cars with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned from a local floori=
ng company. He also was the first in our group of carpoolers to drive his o=
wn car to school. Some wild rides down narrow curving residential streets a=
re emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteristic of the cars was the=
overdrives, activated by a little toggle switch always placed inconspicuou=
sly under the dash. Another was their propensity for burning oil, which mea=
nt that the dipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads me to the point.=
Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or intentional daily abuse,=
cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of the cars, along with quarts =
of inexpensive motor oil, giving true meaning to the term, "Studebaker Test=
ed Products"!
STeve P. ----- Original Message -----=20
From: EDWARD BARNARD=20
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com ; dkettler@tcbi.com=20
Cc: FOT=20
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about STP. A call to t=
heir H.Q. public relations office this morning has revealed what we should =
assume is the truth. The STP does stand for Scientifically Treated Petroleu=
m. The Wiki reference to it standing for Studebaker Tested Products is in f=
act true. The company did tie their name to the product for a short time un=
til Andy G. took over. But, the Wiki reference to King Richard no longer be=
ing a spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R. departmen=
t, they have the longest commercial endorse in history.=20
Thanks again to the list!
-Ed-
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com> wrote:
From: David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM
I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>=20
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker=20
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
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<DIV>Bud,</DIV>
<DIV>In 1953 and 54 they were either Comanders (V-8) or Champions (6 cly) i=
n 55 they added the President and beginning in1956 they were mildly restyle=
d and given various Hawk names.</DIV>
<DIV>It's funny but a lot of TR owners are Studebaker lovers as well.=
</DIV>
<DIV>Ron Western Eagle Racing Jacobs</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #101=
0ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from "RACER BUD" <budscar=
s@comcast.net>: -------------- <BR><BR>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16705" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Bob..for the Terrific history...I a=
m forwarding it to my Newsletter Group</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGI=
N-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
From:</B> <A title=3Drjohns@woh.rr.com href=3D"mailto:rjohns@woh.rr.com";>Ro=
bert Johns</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.net";>RACER BUD</A> ; <A title=3Dspreiss@ver=
izon.net href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> ; <A title=
=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwa=
rdbarnard@prodigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:=
45 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Studebaker stories</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All right guys, you have done it. I =
am going to have to tell you my tale of woe. Visualize this! I =
was attending the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in =
1956. After we attended classes, they grouped us in classes (more lik=
e bunches) to do some racing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After Studebaker had merged with Packard, =
they built a variation of the Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the=
day. What did I know of such things? I was stuck in Euro=
pe at the time. Guess what they stuck in the class with me, one of th=
ese monsters. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Off we went, racing our little hearts=
out. Me in my little TR2, the Stude (model?) Hawk, and several =
more interesting pieces of iron. That Stude would blow my doors =
off going down the straight and I would pass him on the next set of curves.=
Back and forth we went, and I think I finally got far enough ahead o=
f him that he didn't catch me again. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of interesting iron. That r=
ace was my first and only experience of running against a genuine Aust=
in Healy S (not M, but S). They were not many built, and the Im=
porter for Switzerland had this one, and it ran very well, with its c=
ross flow head and lots of tricks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ways, that is my Studebaker stor=
y. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob Johns</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5p=
x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
From:</B> <A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.n=
et">RACER BUD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net h=
ref=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> ; <A title=3Dedwardbar=
nard@prodigy.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@pr=
odigy.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:=
12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my favorite cars for Style was the =
(I think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they w=
ere literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby prom=
oting a movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of th=
e cars that added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5p=
x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
From:</B> <A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net=
">Steven Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy=
.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A=
> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:=
04 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my neighborhood friends growing up =
was a Studebaker nut, a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inher=
ited from his dad. They would work into the night in the carport on one or =
another of their cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The cars, wh=
ich as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red with a white to=
p, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, always seemed exotic =
in an atypical American sort of way. A buddy of theirs had what t=
hey referred to as 'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small d=
airy farm<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>, the main pasture of whic=
h was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been hauled in from all over=
the countryside and carefully placed side by side around the perimeter, pr=
oviding an endless supply of parts and projects. Martin was a somewhat=
laconic fellow who carpeted his cars with an array of carpet "chucks" glea=
ned from a local flooring company. He also was the first in our group of ca=
rpoolers to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides down narrow curvin=
g residential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteris=
tic of the cars was the overdrives, activated by a little toggle switch alw=
ays placed inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their propensit=
y for burning oil, which meant that the dipstick became a familiar friend. =
Which leads me to the point. Whether a result of unintentional po=
or' design or intentional daily abuse, cans of STP were always kept in the =
trunks of the cars, along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil, giving=
true meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV>STeve P. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
From:</B> <A title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard=
@prodigy.net">EDWARD BARNARD</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dehusmann53@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com";>ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> ; <A title=3D=
dkettler@tcbi.com href=3D"mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com";>dkettler@tcbi.com</A> <=
/DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dfot@autox.team.net hr=
ef=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:4=
4 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group que=
stion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about STP. A call=
to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has revealed what we sh=
ould assume is the truth. The STP does stand for Scientifically Treated Pet=
roleum. The Wiki reference to it standing for Studebaker Tested Products is=
in fact true. The company did tie their name to the product for a short ti=
me until Andy G. took over. But, the Wiki reference to King Richard no long=
er being a spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R. depa=
rtment, they have the longest commercial endorse in history. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> -Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/30/08, David <SPAN>Kettler</SPAN> <=
I><dkettler@tcbi.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid">From: David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com><BR>Subj=
ect: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question<BR>To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: "F=
OT" <fot@autox.team.net>, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net<BR>Date: Tuesday,=
September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I recall when I was a kid collecti=
ng STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=
=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] No=
n-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebak=
er=20
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then rename=
d=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great=
=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
>Thanks - Ed - _______________________________________________
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