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All right guys, you have done it. I am going to have to tell you my =
tale of woe. Visualize this! I was attending the Swiss Auto Club =
Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in 1956. After we attended =
classes, they grouped us in classes (more like bunches) to do some =
racing.=20
After Studebaker had merged with Packard, they built a variation of the =
Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the day. What did I know of such =
things? I was stuck in Europe at the time. Guess what they stuck in =
the class with me, one of these monsters. =20
Off we went, racing our little hearts out. Me in my little TR2, the =
Stude (model?) Hawk, and several more interesting pieces of iron. That =
Stude would blow my doors off going down the straight and I would pass =
him on the next set of curves. Back and forth we went, and I think I =
finally got far enough ahead of him that he didn't catch me again.=20
=20
Speaking of interesting iron. That race was my first and only =
experience of running against a genuine Austin Healy S (not M, but S). =
They were not many built, and the Importer for Switzerland had this one, =
and it ran very well, with its cross flow head and lots of tricks.
Any ways, that is my Studebaker story. =20
=20
Bob Johns
----- Original Message -----=20
From: RACER BUD=20
To: Steven Preiss ; edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think 53 stude..Golden =
Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they were literaly =
'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a =
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the =
cars that added to the racing bug
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steven Preiss=20
To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a Studebaker nut, a =
passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited from his dad. =
They would work into the night in the carport on one or another of their =
cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The cars, which as I recall =
ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red with a white top, to a sleek =
Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, always seemed exotic in an =
atypical American sort of way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred =
to as 'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small dairy farm, the =
main pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been =
hauled in from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by =
side around the perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and =
projects. Martin was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars =
with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. =
He also was the first in our group of carpoolers to drive his own car to =
school. Some wild rides down narrow curving residential streets are =
emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteristic of the cars was the =
overdrives, activated by a little toggle switch always placed =
inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their propensity for burning =
oil, which meant that the dipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads =
me to the point. Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or =
intentional daily abuse, cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of =
the cars, along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil, giving true =
meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested Products"!
STeve P. ----- Original Message -----=20
From: EDWARD BARNARD=20
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com ; dkettler@tcbi.com=20
Cc: FOT=20
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about =
STP. A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has =
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does stand for =
Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it standing for =
Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. The company did tie their =
name to the product for a short time until Andy G. took over. But, the =
Wiki reference to King Richard no longer being a spokeperson for the =
company is false. According to the P.R. department, they have the =
longest commercial endorse in history.=20
Thanks again to the list!
-Ed-
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com> =
wrote:
From: David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM
I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>=20
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker =
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All right guys, you have done it. =
I am going=20
to have to tell you my tale of woe. Visualize this! I was =
attending=20
the Swiss Auto Club Racing Drivers School in Monza, Italy in 1956. =
After=20
we attended classes, they grouped us in classes (more like bunches) to =
do some=20
racing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>After Studebaker had merged with =
Packard, they=20
built a variation of the Hawk with the huge Packard engine of the=20
day. What did I know of such things? I was stuck in =
Europe at=20
the time. Guess what they stuck in the class with me, one of these =
monsters. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Off we went, racing our little =
hearts=20
out. Me in my little TR2, the Stude (model?) Hawk, and =
several more=20
interesting pieces of iron. That Stude would blow my doors =
off going=20
down the straight and I would pass him on the next set of curves. =
Back and=20
forth we went, and I think I finally got far enough ahead of him =
that he=20
didn't catch me again. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of interesting iron. =
That race was=20
my first and only experience of running against a genuine Austin =
Healy S=20
(not M, but S). They were not many built, and the Importer =
for=20
Switzerland had this one, and it ran very well, with its cross =
flow head=20
and lots of tricks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ways, that is my Studebaker =
story.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob Johns</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.net";>RACER BUD</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net=20
href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2008 9:12=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my favorite cars for Style was =
the (I=20
think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they =
were=20
literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby =
promoting a=20
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the =
cars that=20
added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net =
href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven=20
Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2008 2:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my neighborhood friends =
growing up was a=20
Studebaker nut, a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt =
inherited=20
from his dad. They would work into the night in the carport on one =
or=20
another of their cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The=20
cars, which as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted =
red=20
with a white top, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, =
always=20
seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of way. A buddy =
of=20
theirs had what they referred to as 'the Studebaker farm', =
which was=20
actually a small dairy farm<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>, =
the main=20
pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been =
hauled in=20
from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by side =
around the=20
perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and projects. =
Martin=20
was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars with an array of =
carpet=20
"chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. He also was the =
first in our=20
group of carpoolers to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides =
down=20
narrow curving residential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One =
striking=20
characteristic of the cars was the overdrives, activated by a little =
toggle=20
switch always placed inconspicuously under the dash. Another =
was their=20
propensity for burning oil, which meant that the dipstick became a =
familiar=20
friend. Which leads me to the point. Whether a result of=20
unintentional poor' design or intentional daily abuse, cans of STP =
were=20
always kept in the trunks of the cars, along with quarts of =
inexpensive=20
motor oil, giving true meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested=20
Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>STeve P. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dehusmann53@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com";>ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> ; <A =
title=3Ddkettler@tcbi.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com";>dkettler@tcbi.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, =
2008 3:44=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question =
about STP.=20
A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning =
has=20
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does =
stand for=20
Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it =
standing=20
for Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. The company =
did tie=20
their name to the product for a short time until Andy G. =
took over.=20
But, the Wiki reference to King Richard no longer being a=20
spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R.=20
department, they have the longest commercial endorse in =
history.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> -Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/30/08, David=20
<SPAN>Kettler</SPAN> <I><dkettler@tcbi.com></I></B>=20
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com><BR>Subject: Re: =
[Fot]=20
Non-LBC group question<BR>To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: =
"FOT"=20
<fot@autox.team.net>, =
edwardbarnard@prodigy.net<BR>Date:=20
Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I recall =
when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann =
<ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] =
Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for =
Studebaker=20
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he =
then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most =
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three =
great=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
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