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Re: [Fot] Lucas Oil Stabilisator

To: Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas Oil Stabilisator
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 12:42:07 -0500
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
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If I remember correctly there are two formulations of STP, red and blue bott=
les. Only one has the ZDDP.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Bill Tobin <william.tobin31@verizon.net> wro=
te:
>=20
> The only thing I use is STP, and if you read the can, one of the ingredien=
ts is a thing called ZDDP.
> No problems so far (knock on wood).
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Mitchell
> To: MadMarx
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas Oil Stabilisator
>=20
> My dad, one of the engineers responsible for the Buick/Rover 3.5 taught me=
 that if you start with a quality motor oil, there is no need for any additi=
ves. Disagree if you wish, but I have stuck with that advice.
>=20
>=20
> Doug Mitchell
> Sent from my mobile phone
>=20
>=20
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>=20
> Date: 09/12/2015 8:51 AM (GMT-05:00)=20
> To: MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com>=20
> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net,'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.n=
et>=20
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas Oil Stabilisator=20
>=20
>=20
> It may have allowed your oil to aerate so your pump was trying to move oil=
 with air bubbles in it.  It apparently has no anti-foaming additives, so wh=
en you add it to your oil, you are diluting the additives in the regular oil=
.  There was an article on the bobistheoilguy.com website some years back th=
at showed in graphic detail what happens with this additive whether it=E2=80=
=99s used in a gearbox or an engine.  Unfortunately I can only find an archi=
ved version of this article and the photos are no longer visible.  The photo=
s I remember showed the oil turning a much lighter color after it had been t=
horoughly agitated, which meant it was filled with air bubbles.  Air compres=
ses, so I can see a connection between aerated oil and a drop in oil pressur=
e.
>=20
> http://tinyurl.com/o6atjh8
>=20
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>=20
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 3:02 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Hello Alex,
>> =20
>> I was told to use mineral Lucas with synthetic oil. And so I did.
>> This stuff is stiff like frozen honey.
>> =20
>> I suppose the lube went too stiff and the oil pump wasn=E2=80=99t able to=
 force it through the system and opened the relive valve.
>> =20
>> Chris
>> =20
>> Von: AC [mailto:ac@camoletti.ch]=20
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. September 2015 09:19
>> An: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'; triumphs@autox.team.net; MadMarx
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lucas Oil Stabilisator
>> Hallo lieber Chris! Which Lucas stab did you use? There are two of them, m=
ineral and synthetic.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> ---- MadMarx a =C3=A9crit ----
>>=20
>> Hi Guys,
>> by accident I found on my camera chip a video how I fill in two cans of L=
ucas Oil Stabilisator to 4 gallons of 10w60 oil of the IMSA TR8.
>> Listen to the difference.
>> The oil pressure dropped from 40 to 30 psi and never got over 40 psi on d=
riving. Normally it is at 70 psi.
>> The engine died after 8 laps with bearing failures on all crank bearings a=
nd a worn out camshaft.
>> This has happened in April.
>> My engine man was ill for half a year now, but it seems that he=E2=80=99s=
 getting back to work next week and tries to repair the engine.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1IVwEbOfkpc
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>If I remember correctly there are two f=
ormulations of STP, red and blue bottles. Only one has the ZDDP.<br><br>Sent=
 from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Bill Tobin &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:william.tobin31@verizon.net";>william.tobin31@verizon.net</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">The only thing I use is STP, and if you=
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can, one of the ingredients is a thing called ZDDP.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">No problems so far (knock on wood).</fo=
nt></div>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Bill</font></div>
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  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b=
>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"dbm.spitfire@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:dbm.spitfire@gmail.com"=
>Doug=20
  Mitchell</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"tr4racing@googlemai=
l.com" href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com";>MadMarx</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title=3D"fot@autox.team.net"=
 href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'Friends of Triumph' Triumph</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 12, 2015 9=
:22=20
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Lucas Oil=20
  Stabilisator</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>My dad, one of the engineers responsible for the Buick/Rover 3.5 taug=
ht=20
  me that if you start with a quality motor oil, there is no need for any=20=

  additives. Disagree if you wish, but I have stuck with that advice.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Doug Mitchell</div>Sent from my mobile phone<br><br><br>-------- Orig=
inal=20
  message --------<br>From: Duncan Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:duncan.cha=
rlton54@gmail.com">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>&gt;=20
  <br>Date: 09/12/2015 8:51 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:tr4racing@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>&gt;=20
  <br>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net,'Friends">triumphs@autox=
.team.net,'Friends</a>=20
  of Triumph' Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>&gt; <br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas=20
  Oil Stabilisator <br><br><br>It may have allowed your oil to aerate so you=
r=20
  pump was trying to move oil with air bubbles in it. &nbsp;It apparently ha=
s no=20
  anti-foaming additives, so when you add it to your oil, you are diluting t=
he=20
  additives in the regular oil. &nbsp;There was an article on the <a href=3D=
"http://bobistheoilguy.com";>bobistheoilguy.com</a> website some years=20
  back that showed in graphic detail what happens with this additive whether=
=20
  it=E2=80=99s used in a gearbox or an engine. &nbsp;Unfortunately I can onl=
y find an=20
  archived version of this article and the photos are no longer visible.=20
  &nbsp;The photos I remember showed the oil turning a much lighter color af=
ter=20
  it had been thoroughly agitated, which meant it was filled with air bubble=
s.=20
  &nbsp;Air compresses, so I can see a connection between aerated oil and a d=
rop=20
  in oil pressure.
  <div><br>
  <div>
  <div><b style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/o6atjh8";>http://tinyurl.co=
m/o6atjh8</a></b></div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Duncan</div>
  <div>(Texas)</div>
  <div><b><br></b>
  <div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div>On Sep 12, 2015, at 3:02 AM, MadMarx &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racin=
g@googlemail.com">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>&gt;=20
    wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
    <div>
    <div style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT: 12px Helveti=
ca; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; page: Wo=
rdSection1; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px" class=3D"WordSection1">
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">Hello Alex,<o:p></o:p></span>=
</div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">I was told to use mineral Luc=
as with synthetic oil. And so I=20
    did.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">This stuff is stiff like froz=
en honey.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">I suppose the lube went too s=
tiff and the oil pump wasn=E2=80=99t able to=20
    force it through the system and opened the relive=20
    valve.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></div>=

    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; BORDER-RIG=
HT-STYLE: none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: no=
ne; BORDER-TOP: rgb(181,196,223) 1pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FO=
NT-SIZE: 10pt"><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>AC [<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:ac@camoletti.ch";>mailto:ac@camoletti.ch</a>]<span class=3D"Apple=
-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=3D"Apple-conv=
erted-space">&nbsp;</span>Samstag, 12. September 2015=20
    09:19<br><b>An:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>''=
Friends=20
    of Triumph' Triumph'; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumph=
s@autox.team.net</a>;=20
    MadMarx<br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</=
span>Re:=20
    [Fot] Lucas Oil Stabilisator<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></div>
    <p style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; FON=
T-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm">Hallo=20
    lieber Chris! Which Lucas stab did you use? There are two of them, miner=
al=20
    and synthetic.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
    <p style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;=
 FONT-SIZE: 12pt" class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br>---- MadMarx a =C3=A9crit ----=
<o:p></o:p></p>
    <div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></d=
iv>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">by accident I found on my cam=
era chip a video how I fill in two=20
    cans of Lucas Oil Stabilisator to 4 gallons of 10w60 oil of the IMSA=20
    TR8.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">Listen to the difference.</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">The oil pressure dropped from=
 40 to 30 psi and never got over 40=20
    psi on driving. Normally it is at 70 psi.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US"></span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">The engine died after 8 laps w=
ith bearing failures on all crank=20
    bearings and a worn out camshaft.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">This has happened in April.</=
span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
gb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=3D"EN-US">My engine man was ill for hal=
f a year now, but it seems that he=E2=80=99s=20
    getting back to work next week and tries to repair the=20
    engine.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
    <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif=
; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, sans-serif; COLOR: r=
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