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Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query

To: "'Bob Spidell'" <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:31:39 +0000 WdxLUJx4QHBsHrtoqlqnaVMzZVulHjGl02Xzt/nLM0SYphoPviwXQcsHNu4ahf5p/tROYrXwOnOvEwN/9YWUNPqK8M35dh2wzWY=
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I don't like the different look, and Simon's measurements, of the=0Aclut=
ch disc. First I would take the spare old input shaft-if the same=0Aas t=
he one in the trans, and stick it in the pilot bushing and clutch=0Aplat=
e. If it fits, its correct bush and core. Then I would load up the=0Agea=
rbox shaft with the clutch disc and position the cover to approx.=0Ainst=
alled location to see if there is any interference with the=0Acasing. If=
 it looks clear, mount the disc and cover on the flywheel=0Aand hand tig=
hten the bolts, stick in the shaft or plastic guide and as=0ARichard ind=
icated, work the unit carefully. concentrically. to insure=0Ait is cente=
red. Tighten bolts to spec, LIGHTLY grease the spline and=0Anose of inpu=
t, put box in 4th, position and jiggle the output to=0A"feel" it fit the=
 spline of the clutch disc, before pushing it home=0Aand button it up. H=
ank=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "Bob Spidell"=
 =0ATo: healeys@autox.team.net=0ACc: =0ASent: Monday September 27 2021 8=
:26:59AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query=0A=0A Since we're gra=
sping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube the=0Asplines with an=
ything? I know it's a slight risk given grease could be=0Aslung onto the=
 disk or cover plate--although engine oil will likely=0Aend up in the vi=
cinity sooner or later--I've always done it with no=0Aissues (if anybody=
 cares, my favorite product for things like this is=0ARedline's wheel be=
aring grease).=0A=0A I'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centering' i=
s the issue, as I=0Athink Simon was probably pretty careful about it, an=
d I've never heard=0Aof anybody having trouble with a centering tool or=
 input shaft.=0A=0AOn 9/27/2021 8:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:=
=0A=0A=09I agree with Richard =E2=80=93 I go through the same =E2=80=9Cm=
icro=E2=80=9D centering=0Aprocess. =0A=0A=09FROM: richard mayor =0ASENT:=
 September 26, 2021 12:39 PM=0ATO: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com=0AC=
C: m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca; Healeys =0ASUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch=
 query  =0A=0A=09One suggestion: When you use the centering tool (plasti=
c or=0Aotherwise), tilt the tool all the way up then all the way down, t=
hen=0Ado the same from side to side, then split the difference with the=
 tool=0Ain place when you tighten the pressure plate bolts. I personally=
 go=0Athrough this routine at least 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as cl=
ose=0Ato the center position as possible.   =0A=0A=09One question: Why d=
o you think the metal input shaft is harder to use=0Athan the plastic to=
ol? The input shaft is much longer than the plastic=0Atool and you can g=
et a better feel for finding the center position=0Awhen moving it throug=
h its range of motion as you align the disc.   =0A=0A=09On Sun, Sep 26,=
 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan via Healeys  wrote:    =0A=0A=0A=09To rev=
ert to the problem I=E2=80=99ve being having with my gearbox not=0Awanti=
ng to reinstall to my new clutch=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 =0A=0A=09Bleeding it=
 made no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I was sure=0AI=E2=80=99d=
 not lost any fluid but miracles are always welcome. =0A=0A=09The gearbo=
x is on the workshop floor as is the new clutch. =0A=0A=09Before removin=
g the new clutch I played around with the AH Spares=0Aplastic alignment=
 tool and my spare shaft. Both went in without any=0Atrouble but I suppo=
se they would have anyhow unless they=E2=80=99d been=0Amiles out?? The n=
ew clutch slides onto the shaft in the gearbox just=0Aas it should. =0A=
=0A=09See attached file=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6Seems to me that the old clutch=
 was in pretty=0Agood shape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one mi=
ght have left=0Awell alone! It=E2=80=99s been in there for 27 years that=
 I know of. There=0Awere/are a few discrepancies between the old and new=
 clutches. See=0Aattached. I don=E2=80=99t think these would matter????=
 =0A=0A=09Are there any obvious steps that I might have missed? Obvious,=
 but,=0Aseemingly, not to me! =0A=0A=09I haven=E2=80=99t taken out the f=
lywheel. Didn=E2=80=99t see why? It=E2=80=99s in;=0Ait=E2=80=99s straigh=
t/vertical and works. =0A=0A=09People state a preference for alignment w=
ith a spare shaft rather=0Athan the black plastic tool. I can see that t=
he metal shaft might be=0Asomewhat more precise, but harder to use surel=
y? =0A=0A=09I=E2=80=99m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole=
 sorry=0Aprocess=E2=80=A6. =0A=0A=09Any suggestion? =0A=0A=09Thanks, =0A=
=0A=09Simon   =0A=0A

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<html><body>I don't like the different look, and Simon's measurements, o=
f the clutch disc. First I would take the spare old input shaft-if the s=
ame as the one in the trans, and stick it in the pilot bushing and clutc=
h plate.&nbsp; If it fits, its correct bush and core. Then I would load=
 up the gearbox shaft with the clutch disc and position the cover to app=
rox. installed location to see if there is any interference with the cas=
ing. If it looks clear, mount the disc and cover on the flywheel and han=
d tighten the bolts, stick in the shaft or plastic guide and as Richard=
 indicated, work the unit carefully. concentrically. to insure it is cen=
tered. Tighten bolts to spec, LIGHTLY grease the spline and nose of inpu=
t, put box in 4th, position and jiggle the output to "feel" it fit the s=
pline of the clutch disc, before pushing it home and button it up. Hank<=
br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>---------------------=
--------------------</p>From: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net><br>To=
: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Monday September 27 2021 8:26:=
59AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] New Clutch query<br><br>=0ASince we're gr=
asping at input shafts, er, straws ... Did you lube=0Athe splines with a=
nything? I know it's a slight risk given grease=0Acould be slung onto th=
e disk or cover plate--although engine oil=0Awill likely end up in the v=
icinity sooner or later--I've always=0Adone it with no issues (if anybod=
y cares, my favorite product for=0Athings like this is Redline's wheel b=
earing grease).<br><br>=0AI'm probably wrong, but I don't think 'centeri=
ng' is the issue, as=0AI think Simon was probably pretty careful about i=
t, and I've never=0Aheard of anybody having trouble with a centering too=
l or input=0Ashaft.<br><br><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2021 8=
:02 AM, m.g.sharp--- via=0AHealeys wrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote>=0A<di=
v class=3D"WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I=0Aagree with=
 Richard =E2=80=93 I go through the same =E2=80=9Cmicro=E2=80=9D centeri=
ng=0Aprocess.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p=
>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1pt;padding:3pt 0=
cm 0cm 0cm;">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"en-us">From:</sp=
an></b>=0A<span lang=3D"en-us">richard mayor <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rf=
c2396E">&lt;boyracer466@gmail.com&gt;</a><br><b>Sent:</b> September 26,=
 2021 12:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated">simon=
.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-=
abbreviated">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>; Healeys=0A<a class=3D"moz-txt-l=
ink-rfc2396E">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [Healeys] New Clutch query</span></p>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One suggestion:&nbs=
p; When you use the=0Acentering tool (plastic or otherwise), tilt the to=
ol all the way up=0Athen all the way down, then do the same from side to=
 side, then=0Asplit the difference with the tool in place when you tight=
en the=0Apressure plate bolts.&nbsp; I personally go through this routin=
e at=0Aleast 2 or 3 times to make sure I am as close to the center=0Apos=
ition as possible.</p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<=
/p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One question: Why do you t=
hink the metal input=0Ashaft is harder to use than the plastic tool?&nbs=
p;&nbsp; The input=0Ashaft is much longer than the plastic tool and you=
 can get a better=0Afeel for finding the center position when moving it=
 through its=0Arange of motion as you align the disc.</p>=0A</div>=0A</d=
iv>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 7:42 AM Simon Lachlan=0Avia Healeys &lt=
;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p>=0A</div>=0A<blockquote sty=
le=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;=
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;">=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"en-gb">To revert to the problem I=E2=80=99ve being having w=
ith my gearbox=0Anot wanting to reinstall to my new clutch=E2=80=A6=E2=
=80=A6</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Bleeding it made=
 no difference.. It was a forlorn hope as I=0Awas sure I=E2=80=99d not l=
ost any fluid but miracles are always=0Awelcome.</span></p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">The gearbox is on the workshop floor as is t=
he new=0Aclutch.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb=
">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Before=
 removing the new clutch I played around with the AH=0ASpares plastic al=
ignment tool and my spare shaft. Both went in=0Awithout any trouble but=
 I suppose they would have anyhow unless=0Athey=E2=80=99d been miles out=
?? The new clutch slides onto the shaft in the=0Agearbox just as it shou=
ld.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">See attached file=
=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6Seems to me that the old clutch was in=0Apretty good s=
hape and, with benefit of 20/20 hindsight, one might=0Ahave left well al=
one! It=E2=80=99s been in there for 27 years that I know=0Aof. There wer=
e/are a few discrepancies between the old and new=0Aclutches. See attach=
ed. I don=E2=80=99t think these would=0Amatter????</span></p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Are there any obvious steps that I might hav=
e missed?=0AObvious, but, seemingly, not to me!</span></p>=0A<p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"en-gb">I haven=E2=80=99t taken out the flywheel. Didn=
=E2=80=99t see why? It=E2=80=99s in;=0Ait=E2=80=99s straight/vertical an=
d works.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;=
</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">People state a=
 preference for alignment with a spare shaft=0Arather than the black pla=
stic tool. I can see that the metal shaft=0Amight be somewhat more preci=
se, but harder to use=0Asurely?</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"en-gb">I=E2=80=99m reluctant to reinstall and just repeat the whole=
 sorry=0Aprocess=E2=80=A6.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-=
gb">Any suggestion?</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en=
-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Tha=
nks,</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Simon</spa=
n></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<br></blockquote>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</block=
quote>=0A<br></bspidell@comcast.net></body></html>

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