Okay John and I have talked about this for a while.. and I keep lowering my
target RPM....
My Goal obviously is to go as fast as this little girl will go... Now do I
care if the motor comes home in one piece.... hmmm YES ..... ( or at least
assembled pieces)
The my personal Goal of this list was to gain insight... I evaluate
everyone's information and come up with my own decisions.... which has
worked as a way of dealing with things that are new to me....
I am going to listen to everyone and set it up to run in the 7500-8000
range and gear for that... but I am going to bring the gears and tires both
ways to compensate for what the car actually does on the track at Maxton
and the salt
and hopefully at Maxton we can gain the insight necessary to set it up for
the salt... at least semi correctly for this combination..
It is a fascinating topic for me and I thank each of you for your
responses..
Keith
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> From: John Beckett <johnbeck@blueridge.cc.nc.us>
> To: kturk@ala.net
> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Salt & RPMs
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 7:02 AM
>
> Keith,
>
> I guess the max RPM I have ever run a Bonneville is 8,000. Have made
lots
> of runs in the 7,800 range with lots of success. Ran 8,200 once at
Maxton,
> and everything seemed to live OK, but no gain in speed.
> My recomendation is not to gear it for more than 8,000 RPM, that way you
> will be able to enjoy it for many runs to come.
>
> John
>
>
> At 06:54 AM 4/15/99 -0400, Joseph Timney wrote:
> >Keith,
> >I have to agree with Tom, that high of RPM will cost you more than you
> will gain. We have drag raced that combination in the past and would not
> run alumunium rods unless I know exactly how many runs were on the rods
and
> at what conditions the motor saw...how high was it reved, how often, etc.
> The other thing is valve springs. We ran a 287 inch combo, 8700 off the
> line, 9200 shift point and 9700 in the lights. It ran on the record
but...
> broken valve springs, spanned rocker arms, cracked piston lands, etc (
read
> that total motor trauma ). Why not use a set of Crower steels ( nice rods
> and reasonable priced ) and keep the r's down. Wearing a motor out is a
> financially rewarding thing!
> >
> >>>> "Thomas E. Bryant" <saltracer@awwwsome.com> 04/14 5:22 PM >>>
> >>From the description of your motor, I still stand by my RPM comments.
> Sounds
> >very similar to the motor I ran a few years back. I ran Crane heads that
were
> >excessively milled to get a 52 cc. chamber. I am now running Chev
Bow-Tie
> Heads
> >that are
> >angle milled to the max, trying to maintain the 12.5:1 compression
ratio
> I was
> >running with the other heads. My pistons regularly contact the heads
very
> >lightly. I am now using steel rods, but in the early eighties, Terry
Elledge
> >was helping me with my motors. He built one that had approximately
13.5:1,
> >using Bill Miller aluminum rods. The third pull (7700 RPM) on the dyno
put #1
> >rod on the floor. All the pistons were "hitting" the heads. As a Nascar
> engine
> >builder, he normally use the steel rods, so I think he miscalculated the
> amount
> >of stretch.
> >
> >Just remember that the 1/4 mile top RPM is for a couple of seconds, much
> >different than at the Salt. What is a problem at 9000 may not be at
8000.
> I am
> >a firm believer in "the combination". Each racer has to find what works
for
> >him. It is kind of like cooking, two cooks can use the same recipe, but
the
> >results may be much different!
> >Tom
> >
> >Keith Turk wrote:
> >
> >> The Heads on the motor are old 292 castings... the angle plug
things...they
> >> were done by Hogan there in California somewhere... they have an
intake
> >> port size of 2.250 X 1 something... with about .200 off the surface...
the
> >> block is not o-ringed..
> >> and the crank is a 302 crank turned down to a 2.90 Stroke.... it has
been
> >> exceptionally well balanced and is set up with a set of Aluminum Super
> >> Rods.. which are 5.75 inches... The pistons are TRW Duffies that have
been
> >> worked a little to much in my opinion.. that was the comment on the
ring
> >> land... they are gas ported and with the Heads being shaved as much as
they
> >> are... well you can start to see my concerns...
> >>
> >> It started life as a Darrin Davis Comp eliminator motor and was spun
up to
> >> 10,500 Rpm and left the line at 7500.... My thoughts right now are
that our
> >> hero the original builder didn't take into account Rod Stretch.. and
that
> >> is why the pistons touched the heads and the valves had mated with the
> >> pistons.... none of this is hurt particularly... they had just
touched..
> >> and closed the top land a tick. maybe 2 thousands.... or so..
> >>
> >> Lift on the cam is another factor here.... I haven't mic'ed it yet but
I
> >> believe it to be around .650 total..
> >> Complete Roller set up...
> >>
> >> it has a jesel belt drive
> >>
> >> Well that is what I have to work with.... I am still thinking the
spare 355
> >> cu in 10:1 motor is going to the salt... at least I know it will live
out
> >> there..... and we can still enjoy the time of our lives....
> >>
> >> Keith
> >> ----------
> >> > From: Thomas E. Bryant <saltracer@awwwsome.com>
> >> > To: kturk@ala.net
> >> > Cc: Land Speed <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> >> > Subject: Re: Salt & RPMs
> >> > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 11:23 AM
> >> >
> >> > It depends on what you have in the motor, but I have found that
lower Rs
> >> work
> >> > better.
> >> > At the higher RPMs, the breathing efficiency goes downhill. We used
to
> >> run in
> >> > the low 8000s, but have found that the upper 7000 range works better
for
> >> us. It
> >> > is also a little easier on the motor. But again it depends on the
power
> >> curve.
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> > Keith Turk wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Well said.. and of course he is my first choice also... I am
trying to
> >> be
> >> > > semi neutral here.... This is a ton of work and worth while... If
Al is
> >> the
> >> > > pick... then I would get us going in the right direction....But
let's
> >> hang
> >> > > out a bit and see what everyone thinks....
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey by the way the motor is coming along just fine.... the pistons
top
> >> ring
> >> > > land is a little closer to the top then I would want.... but I am
going
> >> to
> >> > > run it on the first and see what we have to work with.... oughta
be an
> >> > > absolute blast to run that kinda RPM..... I am going to set the
gears
> >> to
> >> > > take me through the trap at around 8800Rpm... well below it's
normal
> >> max on
> >> > > a drag strip.... but what I consider a livable RPM for the
Salt....
> >> Keith
> >> > >
> >> > > ----------
> >> > > > From: Thomas E. Bryant <saltracer@awwwsome.com>
> >> > > > To: John Beckett <johnbeck@blueridge.cc.nc.us>
> >> > > > Cc: Land Speed <land-speed@autox.team.net>; Keith Turk
> >> <kturk@ala.net>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Street Rodding and IMHOF
> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:59 AM
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi John & Fellow LSR Supporters,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been reading the chatter about the Hall of Fame
considerations
> >> and
> >> > > would
> >> > > > like to put in my two cents worth.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I agree with you John when you put Al Teague at the top of the
list.
> >> In
> >> > > my view
> >> > > > there is a great deal more to being qualified for "Special
> >> Recognition"
> >> > > than going
> >> > > > fast. I have known many people with fast cars. Bob Summers, Al
> >> Teague,
> >> > > Rick & Don
> >> > > > Vesco, Bruce Geisler, and others are among those I can call
"fast
> >> > > friends", (no pun
> >> > > > intended).
> >> > > > All of these mention have a quality that I consider important.
They
> >> not
> >> > > only went
> >> > > > fast, but they designed and built the cars that carried them to
those
> >> > > speeds. Many
> >> > > > have set records, gain the publicity and recognition by laying
down
> >> the
> >> > > money and
> >> > > > having the guts to sit behind the wheel, but this is not what we
are
> >> > > about.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have known Al and followed his progress since he first arrived
on
> >> the
> >> > > Salt. Al
> >> > > > has risen to the top of the heap with almost no sponsorship, in
a car
> >> he
> >> > > actually
> >> > > > built with his own hands, drove it repeatedly at unimaginable
speeds,
> >> and
> >> > > exhibits
> >> > > > a humility that is enviable. To me, he is truly the hero of our
> >> sport.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Tom Bryant, 216 D/CC - El Mirage, Muroc, Bonneville
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >
>
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