I don't really care how you set up for the east coast timming
as I havn,t been east of Iowa since I got out of the marine corps in "68. But I
do have a thought, Kieth you know how John Rain bumped the DPS record at Bville
80mph and the DB alt records a bunch. Lets say he brings this car to your strip
and proceeds to put every record in Gas and altered at say 210mph which I
assume a car that can run 275 could easily do, how many guys are you going to
get to run for the record in various classes when they were all maxed out by
one EFI twin tubo'd firebird ????????? Kvach
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From: Ferguson, Darrell[SMTP:dfergus@bactc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:05 PM
To: 'Dick Jurkowski'; JAMES CANNON; Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield; Keith
Turk; land-speed@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: More Points computation ideas
I disagree with the run your car in a bigger displacement class with a
smaller engine theory. For myself personally, I could run against a record
that is 22 mph slower by running in class ABFALT with my class B motor. I
INTERPERET the rules to say that I have to compete within the class that my
cubic inch designation lands me in. I feel that running in class A, AA with
a class B motor is unfair to other competitors in those classes, as is
running in a Fuel class by merely switching to a gasoline not supplied by
ERC, but again, that's my interpretation.
Darrell Ferguson
BLACK RADON ENGINEERING
# 939 BBFALT
http://my.cybersoup.com/blackradon
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Jurkowski [SMTP:lsr_man@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 12:46 PM
To: JAMES CANNON; Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield; Keith Turk;
land-speed@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: More Points computation ideas
Lots of good ideas, but don't limit a car to one
class only. Let it run in any class the
driver/team wants to put it in (displacement wise
I mean - if you want to run a "C" motored car in
"B" - then do it). Don't establish minimum
records either, this is a new association - all
of the records will be filled soon enough and
they'll start getting harder and harder to set.
If a guy goes through all the trouble and expense
to build and prep a car and get all the safety
equipment to run against an open record - that
effort entitles him to have that record if he
makes it to the finish line. For one thing, with
an eye towards association growth, it will
attract a lot more new drivers if they look at
the book and say: "Darn, my car is pretty fast
and I can make a record in that class!" You're
not as likely to attract that first timer if he
has a decent 140 mph car and looks at the record
book and sees that it's an open record but he has
to do 203 to earn that record - know what I mean?
And for the 200 club - don't set minimums! 200
is 200 - period!! I also like the idea of some
kind of points for other than setting a record.
--- JAMES CANNON <dr.piston@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
> Hi Group;
>
> My 2 cents worth, I believe we
> should seperate point races for
> motorcycle and car classes or revamp the system
> one. Reason being it is much
> to easy to have a 150+ mph motorcycle that is
> legal to run right off the
> showroom floor and creates challenges to the
> car guys that have considerably
> more safety equipment to run comparable speeds.
> I also would like to see
> record minnimums to keep points from being
> sandbagged and bought. I race a
> motorcycle and see the unfairness in points
> from where I'm at and it works
> in my favor so it must frustrate some of you
> car guys
>
>
>
> Id be
> happy to discuss this further
>
> Jim
> Cannon #124 A/PG/1350-4
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence E. & Cathy R. Mayfield
> <lemay@hiwaay.net>
> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
> land-speed@autox.team.net
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, November 26, 1999 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Points computation ideas
>
>
> >Now you've done it. And even though I am not
> (yet) a memebr of ECTA, I have
> >a few thousand words regarding this subject.
> Uh...what were they..oh
> >yeah... The SCTA rule book firstly says that
> the vehicle can run only in
> >the lowest class for which it qualifies. I
> assume this means that if you
> >have a D/BMS (like me) and that is the lowest
> engine class I can run in
> >then that is the ONLY one that I should be
> allowed to run in. Even if the C
> >and B and A are vacant, I should not be
> permitted to run in those classes.
> >And gas should not compete in fuel classes.
> >
> >Now how would I do the points, well if you dig
> back in the archives maybe
> >we could find the previous posts, but..I think
> everyone who runs should get
> >points for his/her trying. So even if you make
> a run and break before the
> >trap, you should still get soemthing, else why
> bother to show up at all.
> >So, get 25 points for showing up in your class
> at the line. Get percentage
> >of points up to the record or minimum. 100
> points for reacing existing
> >record or minimum even if you are not fastest
> in class but meet record.
> >Then add on some points for breaking the
> record, but only a minimum number
> >of points. Why, well it will help keep the
> sandbagging to a minimum. And
> >for club purposes only one set of points per
> driver. This is to keep
> >someone from bringing a semi full of cars to a
> club meet and running the
> >points out of reach. So if a driver wants to
> run multiple classes in
> >DIFFERENT vehicles then he gets to pick the
> one he wants his points
> >against. I assume this would be the one that
> exceeds a record by the most.
> >
> >So why do I get on my soap box about class
> jumping? Well for instance, cars
> >with bigger motors don't always run faster
> than cars with smaller motors.
> >When I look at the B'ville BMS records I see
> (or in my old book) that the
> >E/BMS is around 260 mph while other classes ,
> A,B,C D or slower than that.
> >The E size was running in the lowes class that
> he qualified for so he could
> >not set records in the othr classes even
> though it looks like he had the
> >capability to do so. Build the vehicle for a
> specific class then run in
> >that class. Iffn you change motors to
> different sizes though you could run
> >in those classes.
> >
> >Here's how I would work the points thing...
> >
> >I show up in my wildly throbbing Twin Turbo
> D/BMS (red of course) and
> >during the run, I reach the existing record
> and exceed it by 5 mph.
> >
> >Here is what my points would look like:
> >Show up at starting line................ 25
> points
> >meet or exceed min or record............100
> points
> >exceed record ............................5
> points (1 point or fraction
> >thereof for every mph over record:if run was
> only 0.001 over record then
> >you only get 0.001 points )
> >TOTAL...................................130
> points
> >
> >My competition shows up (nah, no competition
> in my class). And he runs over
> >the record but just by 2 mph.
> >
> >Here is what his points look like:
> >Show up.................25 points
> >meet record............100 points
> >exceed record ...........2 points
> >TOTAL..................127 points
> >
> >The next guy shows up but his car doesn't cut
> it and he only runs 80% of
> >the record/minimum.
> >
> >Here is what his points look like:
> >Show up.................25 points
> >meet record.............80 points
> >exceed record ...........0 points
> >TOTAL..................105 points
> >
> >
> >This shows how good the competition really
> was.
> >
> >This forces everybody to run like a banshee
> everytime. No sandbagging or
> >class jumping. And I think this is fairly
> simple to set up in excel
> >spreadsheet and automate it (I think).
> >
> >My $0.02 worth and worth every bit of it!!
> >
> >At 12:06 PM 11/26/99 -0800, Keith Turk wrote:
> >>Hey Guys....
> >>
> >>John Beckett and I have been bantering about
> different Ideas on a Points
> >>system that is fair and adequate ... oh and
> easy to figure.... (heavy on
> >>the ease)
> >>
> >>Thought we would throw it out here and see
> what you folks thought... there
> >>are a number of different ways of making this
> happen....
> >>
> >>Currently you can run against any record ...
> from your class up... that
> has
> >>given us the ability to fill the record books
> as the organization grew...
> >>
> >>Points are awarded as follows.. Percent of
> the record x2 and then 25 bonus
> >>points for setting a record and an additional
> 25 points for mph over the
> >>record again based on Percentages of the
> record.... with a Max of 250 pts
> >>per meet.
> >>
> >>example: if your record is 100mph and you
> run 99.9 you get 200 points if
> >>you run 100.01 you get 25 bonus points for
> exceeding the record for a
> total
> >>of 225pts ....... If you run 112.5 mph you
> get your 225pts plus 25 more
> >>points as that is 112.5 percent of the
> record...
> >>
> >>anybody out there got any good Ideas on how
> to do this better?
> >>
> >>the problem of course here is that if you
> have a slower car it's easy to
> >>get max points..... as your car increases in
> Speed the extra points are
> >>harder and harder to get without sand bagging
> a record up front....
> >>
> >>Keith Turk
> >>Austin Healey 100 / Bugeye / Box Sprite /
> Bonneville
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Dick J in East Texas
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