Four wheelers are cars, and two wheelers are bikes. Three wheelers sort of
fall in a no-mans land to my way of thinking.
John Beckett
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Barrett <speedtimer@earthlink.net>
To: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Cc: Ed Van Scoy <edvs@idt.net>; David Haller <dhaller@techline.com>; Malcolm
Pittwood <MPittwood@compuserve.com>; LSR List <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, January 03, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
>Hey Gang
>I'm hearing rumors the salt is wet and the meet is cancelled, Just a rumor
but maybe
>Dick Williams or Frank Salman knows for sure.Fueling pulled one wheel assy
off the
>liner and ran it in a motorcycle class. Not my idea of a true bike but the
three
>wheeler jet of Breedloves leaves one to wonder how they can classify this
stuff .
>
>Glen
>.
>
>Joe Amo wrote:
>
>> Hello, list I just perused the BUB enterprises site and found that Denis
is
>> planning an assault on the Down Under salt in March. Do you guys/girls
know of any
>> other contingents. Mr. Malcom, will you and Mr. Brown be there to make
it an
>> "international" event and show the world that "only thrust power will do"
when it
>> comes to "real speed"? Malcom and others, can any of you clear up a
question I
>> have regarding the world speed record for motorcycles (hence- two
wheelers)?, I
>> usually only hear of the Campos Easy Rider Entry, when in fact Mr.
Fueling went
>> 332.??mph two way average with his two wheel entry at Bonneville 2 years
ago. Joe
>> :) :)
>>
>> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>>
>> > Joe;
>> > The records in the 1992 rule book are Land Speed Authority records.
Most of the
>> > records in the book are 1991 records, leading me to believe there was a
>> > large(?) LSA certification meet in 1991 (?) Since 1992 was my first
trip to
>> > the salt, maybe some of the old timers on this list could expand on
>> > this.........
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > David Haller wrote:
>> >
>> > > Joe,
>> > > Thanks for your response to the writer. I'm not sure how to take that
kind
>> > > of response to a simple question, his response that is. The 1992 rule
book
>> > > had a section for FIA rules and records and the World of Speed was
set up
>> > > this year for those of us who wished to attempt to set a new record
in that
>> > > arena. I was just wondering if someone such as myself had access to
the
>> > > record book to see what mark to shoot for under FIA. I sure wasn't
expecting
>> > > the kind of response I got out of the UK. After all, we all enjoy the
need
>> > > for speed, some more extreme than others, some budgets unlimited and
others
>> > > very limited. Guess we're still considered the Colonies, even after
all
>> > > these years,
>> > > Dave Haller #93
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
>> > > To: Malcolm Pittwood <MPittwood@compuserve.com>
>> > > Cc: LSR List <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 4:47 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
>> > >
>> > > > Theory and execution are at times opposing entities. Don Vesco has
more
>> > > runs
>> > > > over 200mph with 250cc and 350cc bikes than "Rocketman" has with
"the
>> > > only
>> > > > way" thrust power. In addition the inefficient 1930's tech 320mph
Easy
>> > > Rider
>> > > > bike and 1970's tech bikes Vesco ran over 318 (and also over 330)
have yet
>> > > to
>> > > > be bettered by thrust. I suppose most American hot rodders face
the
>> > > > realization that "real speed" can be attained with ingenuity and
power
>> > > plants
>> > > > found in their grocery getters as opposed to stripping down fighter
jets
>> > > and
>> > > > helicopters. Not sure why no one has taken one of those superior
thrust
>> > > power
>> > > > plants and set the bar higher with respect to the bike records.
>> > > > Many do not attempt FIA/FIM records because our quest for speed is
>> > > realized on
>> > > > the salt in the certified numbers we attain from the BNI/SCTA, and
the
>> > > fact
>> > > > that our quest is restricted by money which makes the significantly
higher
>> > > > FIA/FIM certification price unrealistic. I sincerely hope that
you will
>> > > be
>> > > > able to come to Bonneville and run some fast speeds. Joe :) :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Malcolm Pittwood wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
>> > > > >
>> > > > > From: Malcolm Pittwood,
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Date: 1/2/100 9:56 PM
>> > > > >
>> > > > > RE: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello List,
>> > > > > As a 'lurker' it has taken until the new millennium for me to
introduce
>> > > > > myself and take part in the lively exchange of comments here on
the
>> > > list.
>> > > > > The FIA records are looked after by an american - Burdette Martin
who is
>> > > > > Chairman of the FIA Records Commission based at ACCUS was fax
(547) 272
>> > > > > 0101. Make a specific request on the capacity class you are
interested
>> > > in
>> > > > > - remember that the FIA have no classification by body types.
The FIA
>> > > > > rules only divide by cubic capacity for petrol and diesel
internal
>> > > > > combustion; weight for electric, steam and turbine; and its
unlimited
>> > > for
>> > > > > all thrust powered vehicles.
>> > > > > The ACCUS should have the FIA rules for record attempts in hard
copy if
>> > > the
>> > > > > regulations are not on the FIA web site.
>> > > > > As the FIA only recognise their International records you will
not find
>> > > any
>> > > > > Bonneville BNI/USFRA/LSA speeds listed in their information !!
>> > > > > Real Speed - only thrust power will do. Why work with pistons if
you
>> > > want
>> > > > > to run fast ?
>> > > > > Facts - it was americans who rode rough shod over the FIA rules
on
>> > > > > automobiles to establish thrust powered records in the 60's.
Only since
>> > > > > 1983 did the Brits (R Noble & A Green) have vehicles capable of
setting
>> > > > > speeds over the rocket power of Blue Flame but then Andy did it
in
>> > > style -
>> > > > > 'boom boom'.
>> > > > > Turbines- if you develop a turbo charged 4 stroke or 2 stroke
engine to
>> > > the
>> > > > > extremes possible, including feeding back the rotational
turbocharger
>> > > shaft
>> > > > > power to the crankshaft of the power unit (engine) by
"compounding", you
>> > > > > end up creating a gas turbine. I have been interested in the
dislike
>> > > > > created by the Vesco Turbinator amongst some 4 stroke teams.
Lets face
>> > > it
>> > > > > if you wish to drive a shaft connected to the wheels why not use
an
>> > > > > appropriate power unit ?
>> > > > > So who is Malcolm Pittwood ?
>> > > > > I do not hold any speed records. I am a Fuel and Combustion
Engineer
>> > > > > based in England, with a 37 year interest in cars and speed
record
>> > > > > breaking. I used to work on circuit racing saloons (sedans in
the USA)
>> > > but
>> > > > > then took an interest in pure straight line speed. For the last
5 years
>> > > I
>> > > > > have been Chairman of the Speed Record Club (producers of Fast
Facts
>> > > > > Magazine).
>> > > > > I organise speed record attempts here in the UK and in the USA
(at
>> > > > > Bonneville in 1999) for British teams - Primetime Jet Power,
Bluebird
>> > > > > Electric, Team Maximum Impulse (yes, the triple rocket powered
>> > > motorcycle
>> > > > > of Richard Brown). I also work with other UK teams when I have a
spare
>> > > > > moment, including one using a gas turbine helicopter engine. I
have a
>> > > > > steam rocket powered car in my two car garage alongside a jet
turbine
>> > > > > engine. In storage is a diesel engined streamliner which I own
and am
>> > > > > having assembled for a young driver. Last summer I had a 'guest
drive'
>> > > in
>> > > > > the Vampire jet dragster of Colin Fallows of the Primetime team
just 24
>> > > > > hours after he broke the UK Outright record.
>> > > > > As Project Administrator for Richard 'Rocketman' Brown for the
last
>> > > three
>> > > > > years I feel it has to be acknowledged that if you want an
official FIA
>> > > or
>> > > > > FIM World Record you have to use rocket (or two jet power). Even
then
>> > > you
>> > > > > don't always get the record first time - Richard went 333 mph
average
>> > > over
>> > > > > the kilo in the Gillette mach 3 Challenger, but only one way.
>> > > > > Why don't more nationalities join in speed record breaking ? Why
don't
>> > > > > more americans attempt FIA records with their cars and FIM
records with
>> > > > > their bikes. Hey, you guys didn't even support Denis Manning at
his
>> > > 'bike
>> > > > > only meeting' on the salt last september ?
>> > > > > At least this should welcome in the new year with lots of
response on
>> > > the
>> > > > > list !!
>> > > > > Malcolm Pittwood living in Derby, (initial home of Rolls Royce
when the
>> > > > > Brits owned the car maker), East Midlands, England. 21.56 GMT.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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