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Re: cooling

To: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
Subject: Re: cooling
From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:11:52 -0400
"Ed states that  you can't have too much water, all nooks and cranies must
be filled to avoid any chance of hot spots which can lead to detonation."

That's the same idea the Carl Adams was trying to get across to me

John Beckett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: cooling


> I don't often weigh in on the tech stuff, but we had Ed Pink give us some
> input to this cooling deal. Ed states that  you can't have too much water,
> all nooks and cranies must be filled to avoid any chance of hot spots
which
> can lead to detonation. We currently use two 12 volt pumps at the water
> tank. The ouput of these pumps feed into a sprint car centrifugal pump
> driven off the crank. There is a thermostat in the line also to aid in
> keeping the temp constant.
>
> Dan (real cool) Warner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; Land Speed List
<land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: cooling
>
>
> > Now here is an interesting bit of info: A good standard water pump flows
> > about 100 gpm, a NASCAR pump flows 180 gpm. The best electric pump I
have
> > found flows only about 30 gpm.
> > So now if your flow starts off at thirty gpm it ain't gonna be anywhere
> near
> > close to the 35 gpm needed at the exit point.
> >
> > John Beckett, LSR #79,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; "Land Speed List"
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: cooling
> >
> >
> > > On your Recommendation I spent an hour on the phone yesterday with
Carl
> > > Adams... of Adams Pumps..
> > >
> > > Carl is a LSR fan... and a Nascar Cooling specialist... it was a
> > fascinating
> > > conversation and I look forward to hanging out with him on the
28th....
> > >
> > > He was saying what we needed was a Minimum of 35 gallons of Flow per
> > Minute
> > > and that the Water Must in fact Flow through all the Block.. not just
> the
> > > Front... Back cylinders are often stagnant....  He was a BIG FAN of
> > > Thermostats.... saying they need to be VERY HIGH.... like 190 or
so....
> he
> > > wanted the Water Temp to be in the 210 range to Make Power... saying
> there
> > > was 80hp difference in one of his applications between 160 and 210
> > > degrees...
> > >
> > > His other Big Comment was that the Pump needed to be Measured not at
the
> > > Pump but through the Block.... at the outlet.... anything else is just
> > > guessing at what the actual flow through the restrictions really is...
> > >
> > > I can't remember all the conversation but like you John... I was very
> > > impressed with the guys knowledge of Cooling.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > To: "Land Speed List" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:14 AM
> > > Subject: cooling
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK, thought I would give Keith a break and start a new thread.
> > > >
> > > > My big question is how important is the cooling system to HP? and
> > > longevity?
> > > >
> > > > Have had several problems with melted pistons over the years. And I
> > > thought
> > > > they were due to none cooling related problems (probably were). But
> now
> > I
> > > > wonder if the cooling system was of a better design whether the
> pistons
> > > > would have ultimately melted (or at least melted as quickly).
> > > >
> > > > So (on a SB Chevy) how much water flow (gpm) is required for proper
> > > cooling?
> > > > Can you have to much flow?
> > > >
> > > > What's the preferred pump: belt driven or electric? How much HP does
a
> > > belt
> > > > driven pump use vs. an alternator to drive all the electrical
> > accessories.
> > > >
> > > > Should you run a thermostat? and at what temp? or just a restrictor?
> > > >
> > > > Is it better to design a LSR cooling system based on Drag Racing or
> > > NASCAR?
> > > >
> > > > What's up with reverse flow systems? don't see many in grass roots
> > racing.
> > > >
> > > > John Beckett
> > > >
> > > >
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