Keith one Quick correction
my bike is the second fastest bike at El Mirage
Bickford & Gansberger went 218.446 in 1984
to my 217.805
so they are still the fastest
so Thats my goal for this year
Turborick
www.turborick.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
To: "Rick Yacoucci" <turborick@turborick.com>; "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>;
"Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: International Records
> Perfect example Rick.... We both know your the Bike Points Champion at El
> Mirage this year... and have been recognized as the Fastest bike on the
> Dirt....( Please this isn't an open invitation for More Dirt.... LOL think
> we covered that subject pretty well )
>
> How many Folks knew you were faster then the Bonneville record? wouldn't
> you like to see those accomplishments rewarded with an International
> record?
>
> Then if you can ever amalgamate your deification on the Salt... everyone
> knows your going to KILL the Bonneville records.... and your efforts there
> will be rewarded..... until then.... your still the Fastest Bike in your
> classes.
>
> Keith ( just raggin on ya Rick.. someone has to and Glen is being to
quiet)
>
> ----------
> > From: Rick Yacoucci <turborick@turborick.com>
> > To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; Nafzger <nafzger@vtc.net>; Jonathan Amo
> <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > Cc: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: International Records
> > Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:26 AM
> >
> > Keith most of my Dirt records are faster than their Bonneville
> > equivalent
> > My bikes are MPS and M class bikes but at El Mirage and Muroc there is
no
> > MPS or M classes
> > so I must move up to APS and A frame classes but below you will get an
> idea
> >
> > My El Mirage Land Speed Records
> > 1350/APS/BG ----- 214.264 MPH (GSXR)
> > 1350/APS/BF ----- 217.805 MPH (GSXR)
> > 1350/A/BG ---- 202.107 MPH (GSXR)
> > 1350/P/P ---- 203.392 MPH (Busa)
> > 1350/APS/G ---- 205.891 MPH (Busa)
> > 1350/APS/F ---- 213.460 MPH (Busa)
> > 1650/APS/G ---- 213.556 MPH (Busa)
> > 1650/APS/F ---- 214.148 MPH (Busa)
> >
> > My Muroc Land Speed Records
> > 1350/APS/BF ----- 216.875 MPH (GSXR)
> > 1350/APS/BG ----- 203.954 MPH (GSXR)
> > 1350/A/BG ---- 203.361 MPH (GSXR)
> > 1350/APS/F ---- 206.309 MPH (Busa)
> > 1350/P/P ---- 189.664 MPH (Busa)
> >
> > Bonneville Land Speed Records
> > 1350/MPS/BG ----- 207.798 MPH
> > 1350/MPS/BF ----- 187.209 MPH
> > 1350/M/BG ---- 154.455 MPH
> > 1350/P/P ---- 201.708 MPH
> > 1350/MPS/G ---- 202.008 MPH
> > 1350/MPS/F ---- 196.516 MPH
> > 1650/MPS/G ---- 202.883 MPH
> > 1650/MPS/F ---- 205.195 MPH
> >
> > Turbo Rick
> > www.turborick.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > To: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
> <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: International Records
> >
> >
> > > Before I read anything Else.... Howard.... I don't want to change
> anything
> > > at all...I respect your desire to keep things the way they were.... I
> > agree
> > > with you on the opposite direction thing.... I don't agree on the
> > qualifing
> > > pass as it's one of those things that someone stuck in there Later on
> to
> > > make getting in the Two Club harder... Someone out there give me a
> > History
> > > Lesson on record setting .... because in 1956 Donald Healey set a
> Record
> > > with a Two Way average and there is NO discussion in all the written
> > > documents on a Qualifing pass.
> > >
> > > This is Not making it easier...it's NOT putting folks in the
Bonneville
> > Two
> > > Club...( thou they have opened the door for that discussion also)....
> To
> > the
> > > Best of my knowledge at Maxton it's happened exactly 4 times that
> someone
> > > has run over the Bonneville record..... Has anyone Ever run over the
> > Bville
> > > record at El Mirage? How bout Lake Gairdner?
> > >
> > > As I said in the begining.... I actually want to further the SCTA and
> > > Bonneville records... as they are in fact ... in my opinion World
> > Records...
> > > By further defining how one goes about setting an International Record
> I
> > > think we would find that Bonneville Is the Place to make that
> happen....
> > and
> > > obviously we have to live within the constraints of Real world Traffic
> > > control Problems on the Salt...... K
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>
> > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
> > <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: International Records
> > >
> > >
> > > > Setting a record has always been defined as performing against a
> > standard.
> > > > The recognized standard in land speed racing has always been a two
> way
> > > > average across the same relative piece of real estate. You cannot
> claim
> > > any
> > > > record with a one way pass. Tail wind, down hill, etc. Why do we
> always
> > > want
> > > > to make it easier to set records? My records were set when you had
to
> > make
> > > a
> > > > qualifying run over the record and then the two way pass in opposite
> > > > directions to get the record. I was not happy when they took the
> > > qualifying
> > > > pass out of the equation and I think all the recent records that
have
> > been
> > > > set with two passes in the same direction should have an asterisk
> beside
> > > > them identifying that fact.
> > > > I will accept the fact that I am old fashioned and that they name
> > streets
> > > > after me. They are called "one Way"
> > > > I have even been called opinionated but what do those people know?
> > > >
> > > > Howard
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: International Records
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Okay Jon.... Relax and think a bit here.... don't jump to the same
> > > > > conclusions I jumped to.... I agreed with you up front.... but
then
> > > Logic
> > > > > Prevailed... or at least that is my opinion... and YES I ASSUME
> lot's
> > of
> > > > > things....
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the Truth as I know it with my car and ONLY my car... I
run
> > > 15-18%
> > > > > faster at Bonneville then I do at Maxton. That gives a guy
running
> > > > > Bonneville a 15% minimum advantage over me at Maxton.... Now if
you
> do
> > > the
> > > > > same thing for Cars at El Mirage then I think you can come to the
> same
> > > > > conclusion that these Venues are not as Fast as Bonneville.... Let
> > > enough
> > > > of
> > > > > us go to Lake Gairdner and I think your going to find there is a
> Big
> > > > > advantage to running there with a 5 mile course at Virtual Sea
> > level....
> > > > >
> > > > > So what if you have to do it twice.... you have 5 times the room
> and
> > > less
> > > > > traction at a Higher Altitude and it's Proven to be a Faster
course
> > then
> > > > all
> > > > > the others so far.... ( if the salt continues to improve it will
be
> > even
> > > > > better still )
> > > > >
> > > > > My Point is if someone beats the Bonneville record somewhere else
> in a
> > > > Legal
> > > > > class car..... that person should hold the International record
for
> > that
> > > > > class.... It's not going to change the Bonneville record.... only
> the
> > > > Level
> > > > > one has to go to at Bonneville to set the INTERNATIONAL record for
> > that
> > > > type
> > > > > of car.... Otherwise he would be setting a National record at
> > > > Bonneville....
> > > > > ( it would still qualify as a 2 club record as you set a record at
> > > > > Bonneville over Two Bills in my case ...( BIG HOPE HERE))
> > > > >
> > > > > That is the logic that I came down to.... Problem with making them
> > > > > consecutive is Time limitations for El Mirage and Muroc... they
> don't
> > > have
> > > > > adequate track surface and area to do back to back record runs....
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > > > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: International Records
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Keith List,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the one thing all records at Bonneville and FIA records have
> > that
> > > > make
> > > > > them
> > > > > > more valuable and recognizable is the average of two speeds over
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > real
> > > > > > estate. Not just one run with a trap speeds. That has always
been
> > the
> > > > > glory of
> > > > > > land speed racing, that not only did you only do it once, but
> twice,
> > > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same real estate but that also shows durability with a motor
> thats
> > an
> > > > > important
> > > > > > factor, some can say they once did it, but bonneville records
and
> > FIA
> > > > > records
> > > > > > show they did it twice within an allotted time period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > > > www.landracing.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > > > www.landracing.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay Joe.... lets take that as an example then.... You say
> there
> > is
> > > a
> > > > > > > difference between say... Maxton and Bonneville.... and I
> happen
> > to
> > > > > > > agree.... at Bonneville you have 4 miles to get up to
speed....
> > > where
> > > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > challange compared to ONE mile and a 132' trap.... or at El
> Mirage
> > > on
> > > > > Dirt
> > > > > > > at 1.3 miles? or Muroc on Talcum Powder at 1.5 miles and a
One
> > way
> > > > > average
> > > > > > > as the record.... Personally I think the short courses are
> > severaly
> > > > > > > disadvantaged over the Long Course at Bville.... shoot even
the
> > > Short
> > > > > course
> > > > > > > is better.....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why not?
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