Whatever, See you on the salt, when we can just concentrate on going fast
Yes I am a moron, I suppose for figuring you can run what ya brung
and make it happen to the best of your ability, within the rules.
Was Vesco a moron for abandoning his two strokes, to run the
four strokes and establish the all out bike record? And what
was Campos thinking running inherently disadvantaged pushrod
design against everything else available?
Joe (who admittedly needs alot of education on alot of things) Amo :) :) :)
Dale & Evelyn Thomas wrote:
> Guys,
> I did not want to get sucked into this and you can read my previous reply
> to Jim Dincau. It sure seems to me that there may be more of an interest in
> trying to cover a bunch of "good ole boys" from the "good ole days"
> records, than a fair , even application of the rules. If other sactions were
> as steeped in tradition , they would probably want to cover the asses of
> their friends too.
> You cannot avoid change forever. Look at the stink raised by car guys
> over modern electronic engine management systems and the old carb and points
> mechanical systems. Were you the same people crying foul then ? What about
> the proposed classes for older body styles of cars vs the newer sleeker
> bodies ? Are not these examples of the potential suspected differences you
> cite ? It is admirable that you want to preserve that part of the S.C.T.A
> history, but that does not mean it is a logical or a fair application of
> rules.
> Using the logic you provide, flatheads should race OHV engines and find a
> way of beating the inherent advantages of the design.
> I am not trying to start the next "web war" here , but at a time when
> you see references to where are we going to get the next generation of
> racers , your closed minded approach to technology , fairness and common
> sense in the guise of "Well....we've always done it this away" will scare
> them away. People will always want to come to the salt at least once, but to
> keep them coming back and carry on the tradition, you eventually have to
> embrace change , and apply the rules evenly and fairly.
> Again I do not want to insult anyone, but if you fail to grasp the
> design advantages of a two stroke engine over a similar design four stroke ,
> you are either a moron, or need to increase your knowledge on the subject. I
> would be happy to discuss the differences with you if it would help.
>
> Sincerly
> Dale Thomas
> O.F.O.S. Racing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> To: Jim Dincau <jdincau@qnet.com>
> Cc: Dale <Dale@prodigy.net>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Maxton Motorcycle engine class question
>
> >I like being able to race against a variety of configurations, and think
> the SCTA
> >has a nice way of doing it by keeping the 2 and 4 strokes together. I mean
> we
> >cant make a class separation for everything if there is a potential
> suspected
> >difference, do we need a rider weight class designation, or girth
> designation?
> >Even pushrod and overhead cammers used to be together, and many found NO
> problem
> >setting records that still stand with the pushrods. Look at Dave Matsons
> records
> >(set with a Vincent motor) they were set in the generic
> body/frame/displacement
> >class, he didnt enter pushrod. I mean you just find a way to do it. In
> line
> >fours might have a hp advantange, but what about the narrowness of the
> V-twin (an
> >aero advantage), and the way a V-twin puts down power pulses (a traction
> >advantage).
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Jim Dincau wrote:
> >
> >> > Dale,
> >> > The E.C.T.A. recognizes that there are inherent differences between
> 2
> >> > cycle (the /2 class) and four cycle (/4 designation) engines. The other
> >> > sacntions either..... (a) don't know there are differences (which I
> don't
> >> > believe)..... (b) don't care........ or (c) just don't think it
> matters,
> >> > because they are really old school car guys (most likely).
> >>
> >> Boy am I getting tired of this SCTA bashing.
> >> The SCTA bike rules rules are made by bikers, there is an equal but
> seperate
> >> commitee and an annual meeting at speedweek.
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> > As far as the designation for your motorcycle, Ducatis are a four
> stroke
> >> > design so it woul be a 1000/4 engine. P/P is a production pushrod
> >> > designation . If your Ducati is a Desmo drive model and is stock in all
> >> > forms but tires it would be in a P/1000/4 class. P = Production, 1000 =
> >> > displacement , 4 = four stroke.
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