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Re: Fw: Fw: Hilborn v. carbs

To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Hilborn v. carbs
From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:44:14 -0600
I will try to find an exploded view, dont have
any at the moment, they are nothing more
than a flat slide with a tapered metering rod
that is flat on the intake side, the "signal" across (and
around) the rod draws out the fuel, and that is it, no other
circuits, one hole, one rod, no jets.  I believe they may be
akin to what was referred to as a "lake" injector on some early
bikes.
Joe :)

Dave Dahlgren wrote:

> Well help me be smarter then how do they work? what do they use for a
> compensation circuit? Where can I find an exploded view of one?
> Dave
>
> Joe Amo wrote:
> >
> > No Tom these are not the CV type of motorcycle
> > carbs that you may be referring to "Variable Venturi Carb (4300) which 
>works on
> > the same
> > principle as the
> > motorcycle carbs that Jon mentions."
> >
> > and they are not of the altitude air bleed sytem you mention
> >
> > Joe NOT Jon  :)
> >
> > Joe Amo wrote:
> >
> > > Dave, the "Lectron" is the "Fast By Gast" carb of Pauls.
> > > Sort of Pauls, it came on two strokes a few years ago,
> > > he simply picked up on it again, Vesco ran them on many
> > > of his machines.   They are truly the poor mans EFI,
> > > the set I got came off of a 1500cc plus 275 hp NA
> > > motor, when I called Paul to find out were I should
> > > set the metering rod length for a baseline on my 998cc
> > > motor, he said
> > > "didnt they work on the bike they came off of", I said
> > > yes, and on they went, they carburate perfectly,
> > > how is that for compensation?
> > > Joe :)
> > >
> > > Marge and/or Dave Thomssen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > Paul Gast makes a carb for the pro stock motorcycles that does the same
> > > > thing, now that you mention it.  None of the scooter racers have to 
>change
> > > > jets at all.
> > > >
> > > > Dave the Hayseed
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > > > To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> > > > Cc: Marge and/or Dave Thomssen <mdthom@radiks.net>; Land-speed Racers
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:28 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Hilborn v. carbs
> > > >
> > > > Mine do Dave, you can borrow them, they are
> > > > Lectron (brand name), a flat slide carb with a tapered metering
> > > > rod,  no jets, yes they compensate
> > > > for air density, dont need no electronics, dont need
> > > > no high falootin fuel system, its all natural, self compensating,
> > > > the dyno and the timing system dont lie, ask ANY motorcycle
> > > > prostocker (or 90% of any at the dragstrip, or wanna be me)
> > > > Joe :)
> > > >
> > > > Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Then what is with all the jets for changing things?? You mean to tell 
>me
> > > > that a
> > > > > Holley or carter carb will need no jet correction to run at 4000 ft 
>and
> > > > 110
> > > > > degrees instead of sea level and 60 degrees.. Sure wish i had one of 
>those
> > > > !
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > Marge and/or Dave Thomssen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the answer is: any brand but Stromberg!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> > > > > > To: Marge and/or Dave Thomssen <mdthom@radiks.net>
> > > > > > Cc: Land-speed Racers <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:20 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Hilborn v. carbs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the brand carb that will make air density changes is?
> > > > > > Dave Dahlgren
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marge and/or Dave Thomssen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think the major difference between a Hilborn and a carb is the
> > > > modern
> > > > > > carb
> > > > > > > (not a 97) automatically adjusts for changes in air density 
>(within
> > > > > > limits)
> > > > > > > and the Hilborn relies on you to change the pill.  If you get the 
>pill
> > > > > > > wrong, the carb out-powers the Hilborn.  EFI is one step better, 
>it
> > > > > > > automatically adjusts everything.  CFM aside, Hilborn trumps carb 
>and
> > > > EFI

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