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Re: Subject: Re: OT New Car Search for the folks

To: "Art Pfenninger" <ch155@freenet.buffalo.edu>, "n" <twobees@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: OT New Car Search for the folks
From: Tim Nagy <nagy@duq.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:33:18 -0500
I had the worst of the worst, a 1988 Yugo.  18 months, 36,000  miles,
only broke a half shaft.  cost $300 to repair.  bggied right past all
the biggest trucks (4WD) in a snow-storm.  I thought it was a great car.
But, when gradma gave me her car, same year Buick Skylark, couldn't pass
it up.  That was a great car.  Ate alternators after 120k, but ran on
to  170K.  just retired...

Tim

Carl Elliott wrote:
> 
> I know the story I drive Escorts, Put 248.900, miles on one and it still ran
> like new,
> Just change the timing belt and the oils when they are due. Wife hates them,
> I put 150-200 miles a day on it. Carl E.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Art Pfenninger <ch155@freenet.buffalo.edu>
> To: n <twobees@sprynet.com>
> Cc: MGs digest <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: OT New Car Search for the folks
> 
> >I think this experience shows that you can't always believe Consumer
> >reports. A case in point is the Hyundai, yes the crap of all crap if you
> >can believe what you read. According to them this is the worst car ever
> >made. As a daily driver there are 3 of them in the household along with 2
> >MG's and a 98 Dodge Caravan. The oldest Hyundai an 89 never broken down in
> >10 years and I've put less than $200 in repairs which includes a battery.
> >The other two, one of which is an 88 have never broken down and the most
> >expensive repair to date was a water pump for $13 dollars. Between the 3
> >Hyundais they have about 250 thousand miles. My previous 92 Dodge caravan
> >cost me $1300 in one month in repairs alone with close to $3000 in 6
> >years. For the  money I don't think you will beat the Hyundai. With a 5 or
> >6 year bumper to bumper and 10,000 or 10 year drive train and 5 year free
> >road side service. And if you at them there not bad looking either. Just
> >MHO.
> >...Art
> >
> >On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, n wrote:
> >
> >> Did someone suggest a Camry???
> >>
> >> Let me share my Camry nightmare.
> >>
> >> I bought one new in 1986, the then new 1987 design.  It was
> unquestionably
> >> the worst car I have ever owned.  (Bought my first car in 1956)  From
> day-1
> >> it had problems of fit, finish, reliability & of dealer service.  The
> list
> >> of problems is too long to review here.  But, suffice it to say that when
> my
> >> '80 MGB was our more reliable car (FAR more reliable), it speaks volumes
> for
> >> Toyota's lack of quality.
> >>
> >> On one occasion it was in the shop off and on for 5 weeks inside two
> months.
> >> Turns out MYoriginal problem diagnosis of a fuel problem was ultimately
> >> diagnosed by the zone service mgr. as bad injectors.  Not the electrical
> >> problem the dealer service mgr. & staff insisted it was.  Of course, the
> >> warrantee expired before we learned that.  And, unlike Volkswagen who
> >> quickly handled a transmission problem long out of warrantee, Toyota
> >> basically said fight us for new injectors if you like.
> >>
> >> Then the coil went.  The dealer wanted $600 for a new coil.  Lots of
> threats
> >> later, he agreed to installing the "coil" in the old distributor for
> $250.
> >> The original quote was for the replacement of the whole distributor.
> Then
> >> it was the air box - similar price.  Bought a replacement at a junkyard &
> >> installed myself.
> >>
> >> In it's last year at about 85,000 miles it died 3-times out in the middle
> of
> >> nowhere.  Ultimately, we dumped it for a move back to another European
> car -
> >> a Saab.  Wish we had done it sooner.
> >>
> >> Now we have a car that IS more reliable than my MGB.  And, a lot safer
> and
> >> carries much more.
> >>
> >> Other recent European cars we've had good experience with: Audi, VW (2).
> >>
> >> Norm
> >> '66 MGB
> >>
> >>

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