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Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel

Subject: Re: [Mgs] Steering Wheel
From: Charley Robinson <>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 02:08:23 -0500
One car had more than $8,000 worth of damage and the other had more than
$19,000 worth of damage. How sufficiently intense would you like it? Both full
frontal impacts.


On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Murray Arundell wrote:

> If the airbags did not deploy then its fair to say that the impacts were not
sufficiently intense to require airbags.  Airbags DO NOT deploy in all
> Murray A.
> On 05/03/2010, at 4:13 PM, Charley Robinson wrote:
>> I have 2 cars that have been involved in front end accident in which the
>> bags did not deploy - both Audi's - both totaled in the accidents. in both
>> instances the warning lights indicated all was well with the systems. I'm
>> at all certain that an air bag will deploy regardless of what the
>> computer tells you. Unless we can just chock that up to bad German
>> engineering.
>> Charley
>> On Mar 4, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Richard Ewald wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Douglas McKinnie <>
>> wrote:
>>>> I'm pondering this half with my engineer's hat (is possible/this going
>>>> be
>>>> dangerous?) and half with my psychologists hat --
>>>> "everyone knows that car's with airbags are safer, and this car now has
>>>> airbag, so therefore it is safer"
>>> I taught design, function, and repairs on airbag systems for 15 years.
>>> Personally I would be very reluctant to try and retrofit an airbag system
>>> (any airbag system) into a car that was not designed for it.
>>> I mean just starting with the wheel, is the diameter of the shaft and the
>>> spline count the same?  What effects would an airbag deployment have on
>>> column, and other interior pieces around the column?  Is it a tethered
>>> or an untethered bag? How big is the bag?
>>> And finally the two biggies 1. How will you know the effects in a crash
>>> without a crash test? 2. How do you know the car is safer?
>>>> For the latter, all I really need is a convincing pillow on the
>>>> steering-wheel
>>>> with a nice "airbag" or "Restraint-system" logo. Whether it is
>>>> is
>>>> immaterial. Have any of you tested your air-bags to see if the actually
>>>> work?
>>>> Then why are you convinced they will?
>>> Well I don't know about your car, but yeah I can be pretty damn close to
>>> 100% sure my bags will go off when needed.  The normal condition of the
>>> warning light is on, the SRS system will only turn it off is all is OK..
>> The
>>> entire system checks itself 4X second.  If a fault is recorded for 40 or
>>> more of these checks, the SRS light is turned on. In addition a plain
>>> message is displayed that there is an SRS fault.
>>> So unless the accident occurs <10 seconds after the fault occurs, the
>> system
>>> will work as advertised.  So yeah I am convinced.
>>> Rick
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