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To: Bob Howard <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Silly error.
From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:12:40 -0500
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Keep cleaning Bob. :-)

My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher speed
issues. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and they ran
fantastic! The slow idle was perfect.

So check the timing with a timing light to see if it is stable.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

>   Good on both of you.
>   Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a
> friend in his TF, stored a year or so.  It ran out of go at 2500 rpm,
> sputtering, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000.
>   Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers. On=
e
> had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some of
> that, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid.
>   The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far larger
> than would pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, th=
e
> additional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the
> tank, it was a puzzle.  We could check banjo, pump and additional
> filter-none had any grit or sediment.
>   Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.
>   Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect that some of the sediment i=
s
> in the passage from float chamber to the jet, but we ran out of day
> yesterday.
> Bob
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>    Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I replaced in
> two bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought the
> engine up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no leaks.
>    I also found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A coupl=
e
> of spannet twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a few laps
> around the shop and all was still well.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.
>>
>> Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to
>> replace the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.
>>
>> A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bottom
>> of the radiator pipe.
>>
>> Nut with a dry result!
>>
>>
>>
>> Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal
>> particles.
>>
>> Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.
>>
>> Then the GT should be roadworthy again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> 71 BGT NRG -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] *Namens *Richard Lindsay
>> via Mgs
>> *Verzonden:* woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51
>> *Aan:* mgs@autox.team.net List
>> *Onderwerp:* [Mgs] Silly error.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>>    My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the issu=
e
>> is universal. Here's the short story.
>>
>>    When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a
>> hurry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body =
to
>> the head. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The threa=
ded
>> hole drilling entered the head's water jacket and of course, leaks.
>>
>>    I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and plac=
e
>> fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully completes
>> the engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on my MG TD=
.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Keep cleaning Bob. :-)<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher=
 speed issues. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and t=
hey ran fantastic! The slow idle was perfect.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So check the timing with a timing light to see =
if it is stable.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert&#39;s Ne=
w iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com";>mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Good on both of you.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=C2=A0 Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger wit=
h a friend in his TF, stored a year or so.=C2=A0 It ran out of go at 2500 r=
pm, sputtering, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. =C2=A0</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the f=
loat chambers. One had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The ot=
her had some of that, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. =C2=A0</=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as t=
he chunks are far larger than would pass through the SU carb banjo filters,=
 the SU pump filter, the additional filter he has in line, and the original=
 screen filter in the tank, it was a puzzle.=C2=A0 We could check banjo, pu=
mp and additional filter-none had any grit or sediment.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual=
 says.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Engine runs better, but not much. I sus=
pect that some of the sediment is in the passage from float chamber to the =
jet, but we ran out of day yesterday.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Rich=
ard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I replaced in two b=
olts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought the engine u=
p to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no leaks.</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also found a small fuel leak at the intake of =
the fuel pump. A couple of spannet twists put that right and dry. With that=
, we made a few laps around the shop and all was still well.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhove=
n@planet.nl" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"NL" link=
=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-737199480811640730m_-2666518911=
097195659WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:#1f497d">Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d">Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday =
I had to replace the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterp=
ump.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d">A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to wor=
k at the bottom of the radiator pipe.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Nut with a dry result!<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filte=
r and renewed the charcoal particles.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Replaced the oil filler=
 cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Then the GT sho=
uld be roadworthy again.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1=
f497d">Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#1f497d">71 BGT NRG - <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;san=
s-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mg=
s-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">m=
gs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>=
Verzonden:</b> woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto=
:mgs@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs@au=
tox.team.net</a> List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] Silly error.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Hi Friends,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the issu=
e is universal. Here&#39;s the short story.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0When reassembling the waterpump I made a n=
ewbie error. I got in a hurry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts tha=
t hold the pump body to the head. The coolant leak is through one of those =
bolt holes. The threaded hole drilling entered the head&#39;s water jacket =
and of course, leaks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads a=
nd place fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully com=
pletes the engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on my M=
G TD.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><=
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