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To: Bob Howard <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Silly error.
From: Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 17:26:08 -0500
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Hi Bob. With the covers off and the air dams out, you can clean the jets
with tiny plastic brushes, or even pipe cleaners wetted with spray carb
cleaner. Here's what I use (carefully).

https://www.amazon.com/Brushes-Drinking-Glasses-Keyboards-Cleaning/dp/B073Z=
CYFY2/ref=3Dsr_1_21_sspa?keywords=3DSmall+plastic+brushes&qid=3D1560464677&=
s=3Dgateway&sr=3D8-21-spons&psc=3D1

Rick

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 5:20 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:

>    Sunday afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of floa=
t
> chambers again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compressed ai=
r
> on the jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage.  If not,
> we can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its side pane=
ls
> diabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.
>    It was this same friend who talked me into a Pertronix for my MGB,
> after he had installed them in this TF and his MGA.   I did, and it
> improved the inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years later, I se=
nt
> the distributor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know about the
> engine, its compression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curved t=
he
> distributor to fit.  This engine runs very well now. Though he is not 100=
%
> sold on the Pertronix, I keep it because setting dwell of the MGB is not =
as
> easy as in TD.
>   Fuel, air, spark=E2=80=94we are working to get them all in proper propo=
rtion.
> Bob
>
> On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Keep cleaning Bob. :-)
>
> My TD and TR3b both had idle instability problems AND the higher speed
> issues. I ended up putting Pertronix distributors in both cars and they r=
an
> fantastic! The slow idle was perfect.
>
> So check the timing with a timing light to see if it is stable.
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>   Good on both of you.
>>   Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger with a
>> friend in his TF, stored a year or so.  It ran out of go at 2500 rpm,
>> sputtering, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000.
>>   Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the float chambers.
>> One had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The other had some=
 of
>> that, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid.
>>   The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as the chunks are far large=
r
>> than would pass through the SU carb banjo filters, the SU pump filter, t=
he
>> additional filter he has in line, and the original screen filter in the
>> tank, it was a puzzle.  We could check banjo, pump and additional
>> filter-none had any grit or sediment.
>>   Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manual says.
>>   Engine runs better, but not much. I suspect that some of the sediment
>> is in the passage from float chamber to the jet, but we ran out of day
>> yesterday.
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net=
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I replaced in
>> two bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought the
>> engine up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no leaks=
.
>>    I also found a small fuel leak at the intake of the fuel pump. A
>> couple of spannet twists put that right and dry. With that, we made a fe=
w
>> laps around the shop and all was still well.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny =E2=80=93 I solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.
>>>
>>> Had to replace the thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to
>>> replace the hose connecting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.
>>>
>>> A horrible job to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bottom
>>> of the radiator pipe.
>>>
>>> Nut with a dry result!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal
>>> particles.
>>>
>>> Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake fluid tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Then the GT should be roadworthy again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> 71 BGT NRG -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Van:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] *Namens *Richard Lindsay
>>> via Mgs
>>> *Verzonden:* woensdag 12 juni 2019 18:51
>>> *Aan:* mgs@autox.team.net List
>>> *Onderwerp:* [Mgs] Silly error.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>>    My TR6 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the
>>> issue is universal. Here's the short story.
>>>
>>>    When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error. I got in a
>>> hurry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the pump body=
 to
>>> the head. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. The thre=
aded
>>> hole drilling entered the head's water jacket and of course, leaks.
>>>
>>>    I now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and
>>> place fiber sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully
>>> completes the engine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top =
on
>>> my MG TD.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Bob. With the covers off and the air dams out, you can=
 clean the jets with tiny plastic brushes, or even pipe cleaners wetted wit=
h spray carb cleaner. Here&#39;s what I use (carefully).<div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Brushes-Drinki=
ng-Glasses-Keyboards-Cleaning/dp/B073ZCYFY2/ref=3Dsr_1_21_sspa?keywords=3DS=
mall+plastic+brushes&amp;qid=3D1560464677&amp;s=3Dgateway&amp;sr=3D8-21-spo=
ns&amp;psc=3D1">https://www.amazon.com/Brushes-Drinking-Glasses-Keyboards-C=
leaning/dp/B073ZCYFY2/ref=3Dsr_1_21_sspa?keywords=3DSmall+plastic+brushes&a=
mp;qid=3D1560464677&amp;s=3Dgateway&amp;sr=3D8-21-spons&amp;psc=3D1</a><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 1=
3, 2019, 5:20 PM Robert&#39;s New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.c=
om">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Sun=
day afternoon is our project day. I want to remove the tops of float chambe=
rs again, the covers and pistons, and to try a bit of compressed air on the=
 jet to see if that will dislodge anything in the passage.=C2=A0 If not, we=
 can drop the jets out, but that is awkward on a TF, with its side panels d=
iabolically placed to make any carb work difficult.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It was this same friend who talked me into a Pertronix for my =
MGB, after he had installed them in this TF and his MGA. =C2=A0 I did, and =
it improved the inaccurate timing quite a bit. A couple of years later, I s=
ent the distributor to Advanced Distributors. Jeff wanted to know about the=
 engine, its compression, camshaft, porting, polishing, etc, then curved th=
e distributor to fit.=C2=A0 This engine runs very well now. Though he is no=
t 100% sold on the Pertronix, I keep it because setting dwell of the MGB is=
 not as easy as in TD. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Fuel, air, spark=
=E2=80=94we are working to get them all in proper proportion.</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Richard=
 Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">Keep cleaning B=
ob. :-)<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My TD and TR3b both ha=
d idle instability problems AND the higher speed issues. I ended up putting=
 Pertronix distributors in both cars and they ran fantastic! The slow idle =
was perfect.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So ch=
eck the timing with a timing light to see if it is stable.=C2=A0</div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Th=
u, Jun 13, 2019, 1:51 PM Robert&#39;s New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgbobh@gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Good on both of you.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=C2=A0 Yesterday was an interesting day for me. Went out as passenger w=
ith a friend in his TF, stored a year or so.=C2=A0 It ran out of go at 2500=
 rpm, sputtering, bucking, etc, but would smooth out at 2000. =C2=A0</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Back at the garage, found the strangest stuff in the=
 float chambers. One had a teaspoon of large chunks of solid material. The =
other had some of that, plus a goo that looked like frog-egg liquid. =C2=A0=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 The goo was easy enough to figure out, but as=
 the chunks are far larger than would pass through the SU carb banjo filter=
s, the SU pump filter, the additional filter he has in line, and the origin=
al screen filter in the tank, it was a puzzle.=C2=A0 We could check banjo, =
pump and additional filter-none had any grit or sediment.=C2=A0</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Pump delivers the pint/minute quantity that workshop manu=
al says.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0 Engine runs better, but not much. I s=
uspect that some of the sediment is in the passage from float chamber to th=
e jet, but we ran out of day yesterday.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Ri=
chard Lindsay via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Good work Hans! I too had a successful day at the shop. I repl=
aced in two bolts in the waterpump housing and the leak is gone! We brought=
 the engine up to temperature with (up to) 13# coolant pressure, and no lea=
ks.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also found a small fuel leak at t=
he intake of the fuel pump. A couple of spannet twists put that right and d=
ry. With that, we made a few laps around the shop and all was still well.</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 9:58 AM Hans Duinhoven &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:h.duinhoven@planet.nl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h.=
duinhoven@planet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_48134741417=
80684756m_-737199480811640730m_-2666518911097195659WordSection1"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Funny =E2=80=93 I =
solved coolant issues earlier and yesterday.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Had to replace t=
he thermostat housing gasket and yesterday I had to replace the hose connec=
ting the bottom radiator pipe to the waterpump.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">A horrible jo=
b to do, as there is almost no space to work at the bottom of the radiator =
pipe.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#1f497d">Nut with a dry result!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497=
d">Fully cleaned a clogged charcoal filter and renewed the charcoal particl=
es.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d">Replaced the oil filler cap and will renew the brake flui=
d tomorrow.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Then the GT should be roadworthy again.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f4=
97d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hans<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">71 BGT N=
RG - <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&q=
uot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
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ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;"> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>] <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay via Mgs<br><b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag=
 12 juni 2019 18:51<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net=
</a> List<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Mgs] Silly error.<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">H=
i Friends,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0My TR6=
 rebuilt engine leaks coolant. Okay, its not an MG but the issue is univers=
al. Here&#39;s the short story.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0When reassembling the waterpump I made a newbie error.=
 I got in a hurry and left out two bolts, some of the bolts that hold the p=
ump body to the head. The coolant leak is through one of those bolt holes. =
The threaded hole drilling entered the head&#39;s water jacket and of cours=
e, leaks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I=
 now have new bolts and I will apply sealant to the threads and place fiber=
 sealing washers under the bolt heads. Doing so hopefully completes the eng=
ine rebuild. I can then get back to replacing the top on my MG TD.<u></u><u=
></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div id=
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