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To: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
From: Simon Matthews via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:39:23 -0700
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Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed
(shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite
capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing
across the points, leading to rough running.

Simon

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:

> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an
> explanation for an intermediate state.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> mvheim@sonic.net
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
>
> Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through th=
e
> coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the engine
> may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)
>
> CR
>
> On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>
> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the
> points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How
> old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas
> parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replace=
d
> with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
>       _______                                  _______
>      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>          (_________________________)
>           BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
> 1967 MGB  [image: MG]
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <
> mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
>> for some confirmation (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put
>> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (U=
S)
>> alcohol-free gas.  I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
>> compression engine) so I went to fill up.  The pump with the alcohol-
>> free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92
>> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot
>> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued
>> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
>> never did.  I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never
>> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
>>
>> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems
>> like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there any optio=
n
>> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> David Breneman  david_breneman@yahoo.com
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<div dir=3D"auto">Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they=
 fail closed (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (=
infinite capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through =
arcing across the points, leading to rough running.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Simon</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via=
 Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word">I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t s=
ee an explanation for an intermediate state.<div><br><div>
<div>--</div><div>Max Heim</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mvheim@sonic.net</a></div><div><br></div=
><br class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274Apple-interchange-newline">

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<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charle=
y Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Charley38@twc.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">Charley38@twc.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-88797=
07449479399274Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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    Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. <span =
class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 =
PM, Max Heim via Mgs
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break=
-word">
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t:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:bre=
ak-word">
              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">--</div>
              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px;min-height:16px">Max =
Heim</div>
              <div style=3D"margin:0px;font-size:13px">&#39;66
                MGB</div>
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        <div><br class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274webkit-block-placeholder">
        </div>
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          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div>On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
            <br class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div>
              <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;=
font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacin=
g:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:n=
ormal;word-spacing:0px">could also be
                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
                How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots
                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
                ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a
                Distributor Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=3D"all">
                <div>
                  <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274gmail_sig=
nature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">
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                                              <div dir=3D"ltr">Ira
                                                Erbs
                                                <div>Portland,OR</div>
                                                <div><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0
                                                    =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
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pan><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">
                                                  <span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0
                                                    =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \_=
___1959
                                                    BN4____/ _______)</span=
><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">
                                                  <span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0
                                                    =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
                                                    (______________________=
___)</span></div>
                                                <div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
                                                  BT7 engine and disk
                                                  brakes</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img sr=
c=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"; alt=
=3D"MG"></div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,51);font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:14px">A racing
                                                    car is an animal
                                                    with a thousand
                                                    adjustments. Mario
                                                    Andretti</span><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Please
                                                  excuse random auto
                                                  corrects and
                                                  misspelled words</div>
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size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;let=
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                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019
                  at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
mgs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net=
</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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                    <div class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274gmail-m_90752503627=
83882819ydpec15941cyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:verdana,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                      <div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve never encountered a
                          &quot;bad fuel&quot; problem before, so I&#39;m l=
ooking</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">for some confirmation
                          (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store p=
ut</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">in new pumps, and one of
                          the things they&#39;re offering now is 92 octane
                          (US)<br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">alcohol-free gas.=C2=A0 I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">compression engine) so I
                          went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-=
</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">free gas was out of
                          order!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular
                          92<span class=3D"m_-8879707449479399274Apple-conv=
erted-space">=C2=A0</span><br>
                        </div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">octane, and about 1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">of misfiring, mostly
                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continu=
ed</div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
                              would clear up and it</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t imagine it&#39;s anyth=
ing but
                              the fuel, but I&#39;ve never</span></span></d=
iv>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                              &quot;bad fuel&quot; situation like this in 4=
4 years
                              of driving.</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br>
                            </span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                              fact that it started about 1/4 mile after
                              leaving the station seems</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                              pretty good evidence.=C2=A0 Any other
                              possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option</spa=
n></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                              than to just burn through this half tank
                              of gas?</span></span></div>
                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
479399274gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br>
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                        <div dir=3D"ltr"><span><span class=3D"m_-8879707449=
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