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One of my most favourite car trips was from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore in
a TR2.  Wind in my hair, sun beating down on me, totally devoid of
useless information and just a simple dial for revs and speed.  No
flashing screens , no awkward pointing at a glass plate, no googled eye
searches - Just joy of the engine noise and driving.  All this while
not worrying about the terrorists pinging at me - well.it was 1953
during the "Emergency" (not described as war for political reasons).  I
do feel sorry for those having to drive in a "modern"car !!!
HOWEVER, I do have tach(one wire connection) and speedo(GPS fed) from
SpeedHut in my MGB GT V8.
Barrie
On 3/10/2020 3:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> As a designer with experience in human factors design and UX design, I
> can state that digital numeric speedometer displays are completely
> inappropriate. The constant flickering of numerals (64,65,66,65)
> conveys zero information and distracts the eye from the road.
> Personally, I think they should be banned. With an analog needle (or a
> digital representation of an analog needle), these tiny variations in
> speed are unnoticeable, and one can actually check the current speed
> with peripheral vision detecting the rough angle of the needle,
> without having to consciously parse individual numerals. The old LCD
> displays were the worst, because all these numerals look the same at a
> glance: 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9. Also 1 and 7. But it doesnâ??t matter how they
> gussy up the numeral font, itâ??s just a bad idea.
> The same goes for every instrument. Which display conveys more useful
> information with less concentration required? â??Fâ??, or â??17.9gal
> remainingâ???
>
> Touchscreen controls are another abomination that shouldnâ??t be allowed
> in automotive systems that are active while the vehicle is in motion.
> You absolutely have to take your eyes off the road to manipulate them.
> All active vehicle controls should feature tactile feedback, so they
> can be operated by touch. The classic headlight push/pull knob is a
> great example that has yet to be improved upon. The rotary stalk
> switch on more modern cars is actually a step backward, because the
> direction of rotation needed is not obvious.
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan DiBiase via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net
>>
>> Ok, I'm going to represent the non-Luddites among us ;-) ... I love
>> new technology and the possibilities it brings. My daughter has the
>> newest car in our family, a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 75th
>> Anniversary Edition, and it has every bell and whistle (and some
>> sirens, too) available at the time. Top of the line AWD system that
>> is settable for various surfaces (or auto), heated everything, cooled
>> front seats, engine stop/start, gigantic screen with plenty of info
>> available, etc. The only thing I dislike (besides the mass) is that
>> the programmable instrument display only has a digital speedometer
>> (for some reason, I have a hard time holding a constant speed with
>> that thing).
>>
>> My next car will be a Tesla, either a Model 3 or a Model Y (which I
>> prefer). I have a deposit on a Cybertruck (which I'll probably roll
>> over to the Model Y).
>>
>> Dan D
>> '76B, '65B
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:56 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs
>>
>>
>> -- Hello folks,
>>
>> I have this gripe about new cars and this is the only big
>> platform I have on which to sound off.  I do have my own Aston
>> Martin Feltham Club but that is only 150 members. I am getting
>> exremely puzzled as my 2003 Golf is getting a bit sad although it
>> still goes like a rocket. There is a little rust and one of the
>> courtesy lights does not work.  However, whenever I have a look
>> at new ones they are gadget rich and the dash is becoming like
>> one from a 737.  Why on earth does there have to be a rear end
>> crash avoiding system (used to be rear brake lights) as well as
>> an unwanted-lane changing warning (used to be keeping eyes on the
>> road) to say nothing of bluetooth (where is yellow and red?),
>> Spotify (dog treatment?), Hands free telephone (used to be
>> concentration on the road) and the dreaded in your face screen
>> which like today's TV and Internet is intent on delivring
>> information you don't really need (when did you last ponder over
>> your oil temperature?).   So instead of forking out $30-40,000 I
>> am going to have the Golf all tarted up and enjoy another 170k
>> kilometers.  The only regret will be - it does not have a
>> powered rear end tailgate - but maybe I could get that
>> retro-fitted!  And in this day and age electonic/electrical
>> gadgets die first ($$$$$)- and Lucas smoke is unattainable now.
>>
>> I like my MGB GT so much that maybe another as a 'family' car
>> could be an alternative - but not 100% restored just road worthy
>> and oiled up to the hllt to counter winter driving conditions.
>> Trouble is I would want to drop in a Rover V8 as the engine bay
>> was made for it on later cars - and the broom broom is so much
>> better. Or I coul find a Golf owned by a little old lady with a
>> tiny mileage. OMG, I am a little old man (I will not get a sex
>> change) with a low mileage Golf !!!! Oh sherbert - now what do I
>> do?
>>
>> Barrie
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<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">One of my most favourite car
trips was from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore in a TR2.  Wind in my
hair, sun beating down on me, totally devoid of useless
information and just a simple dial for revs and speed.  No
flashing screens , no awkward pointing at a glass plate, no
googled eye searches - Just joy of the engine noise and
driving.  All this while not worrying about the terrorists
pinging at me - well.it was 1953 during the "Emergency" (not
described as war for political reasons).  I do feel sorry for
those having to drive in a "modern"car !!!<br>
<br>
HOWEVER, I do have tach(one wire connection) and speedo(GPS fed)
from SpeedHut in my MGB GT V8.<br>
<br>
Barrie<br>
</font></font><br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/2020 3:02 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
wrote:<br>
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As a designer with experience in human factors design and UX
design, I can state that digital numeric speedometer displays are
completely inappropriate. The constant flickering of numerals
(64,65,66,65) conveys zero information and distracts the eye from
the road. Personally, I think they should be banned. With an
analog needle (or a digital representation of an analog needle),
these tiny variations in speed are unnoticeable, and one can
actually check the current speed with peripheral vision detecting
the rough angle of the needle, without having to consciously parse
individual numerals. The old LCD displays were the worst, because
all these numerals look the same at a glance: 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9.
Also 1 and 7. But it doesnâ??t matter how they gussy up the numeral
font, itâ??s just a bad idea.
<div class="">Â </div>
<div class="">The same goes for every instrument. Which display
conveys more useful information with less concentration
required? â??Fâ??, or â??17.9gal remainingâ???<br class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Touchscreen controls are another abomination that
shouldnâ??t be allowed in automotive systems that are active
while the vehicle is in motion. You absolutely have to take
your eyes off the road to manipulate them. All active vehicle
controls should feature tactile feedback, so they can be
operated by touch. The classic headlight push/pull knob is a
great example that has yet to be improved upon. The rotary
stalk switch on more modern cars is actually a step backward,
because the direction of rotation needed is not obvious.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
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<div class="">On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Dan DiBiase
via Mgs <<a href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
<div dir="ltr" class="">Ok, I'm going to represent the
non-Luddites among us ;-) ... I love new technology
and the possibilities it brings. My daughter has the
newest car in our family, a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Limited 75th Anniversary Edition, and it has every
bell and whistle (and some sirens, too) available at
the time. Top of the line AWD system that is settable
for various surfaces (or auto), heated everything,
cooled front seats, engine stop/start, gigantic screen
with plenty of info available, etc. The only thing I
dislike (besides the mass) is that the programmable
instrument display only has a digital speedometer (for
some reason, I have a hard time holding a constant
speed with that thing).Â
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">My next car will be a Tesla, either a
Model 3 or a Model Y (which I prefer). I have a
deposit on a Cybertruck (which I'll probably roll
over to the Model Y).Â
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Dan D</div>
<div class="">'76B, '65B</div>
<div class="">Central NJ USA<br class="" clear="all">
<div class="">
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data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
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href="http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/";
target="_blank" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a></div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 10, 2020
at 9:56 AM Barrie Robinson via Mgs <<a
href="mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>
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<div class=""> <br class="">
<div class="">-- Hello folks,<br class="">
<br class="">
I have this gripe about new cars and this is the
only big platform I have on which to sound
off.  I do have my own Aston Martin Feltham
Club but that is only 150 members. I am getting
exremely puzzled as my 2003 Golf is getting a
bit sad although it still goes like a rocket. Â
There is a little rust and one of the courtesy
lights does not work.  However, whenever I have
a look at new ones they are gadget rich and the
dash is becoming like one from a 737.  Why on
earth does there have to be a rear end crash
avoiding system (used to be rear brake lights)
as well as an unwanted-lane changing warning
(used to be keeping eyes on the road) to say
nothing of bluetooth (where is yellow and red?),
Spotify (dog treatment?), Hands free telephone
(used to be concentration on the road) and the
dreaded in your face screen which like today's
TV and Internet is intent on delivring
information you don't really need (when did you
last ponder over your oil temperature?).   So
instead of forking out $30-40,000 I am going to
have the Golf all tarted up and enjoy another
170k kilometers.  The only regret will be - it
does not have a powered rear end tailgate - but
maybe I could get that retro-fitted!  And in
this day and age electonic/electrical gadgets
die first ($$$$$)- and Lucas smoke is
unattainable now.<br class="">
<br class="">
I like my MGB GT so much that maybe another as a
'family' car could be an alternative - but not
100% restored just road worthy and oiled up to
the hllt to counter winter driving conditions.Â
Trouble is I would want to drop in a Rover V8 as
the engine bay was made for it on later cars -
and the broom broom is so much better. Or I coul
find a Golf owned by a little old lady with a
tiny mileage. OMG, I am a little old man (I
will not get a sex change) with a low mileage
Golf !!!! Oh sherbert - now what do I do?  <br
class="">
<br class="">
Barrie<br class="">
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