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You can get result by putting together you own bleeder. Plus you won=E2=80=99=
t make a mess.=20
I got this idea from a book on auto repair back in the 1960s and I=E2=80=99v=
e been using it ever since both at home and in a shop professionally.=20
You will need a Clear 20oz soda bottle, 18=E2=80=9D or so of rubber hose tha=
t fits snugly on the bleed screw, a couple feet of mechanics wire or a zip t=
ie and a coat hanger.=20
Secure the end of the hose just off the bottom of the bottle. Use the mechan=
ics wire or pop a couple of holes for the zip tie. Make sure not to pinch of=
f the hose. Use the rest of the wire or hanger to fashion a hook.=20
Hang the bottle somewhere under the car. Run the hose to the bleeder. This i=
s the important part, the hose has to go up above the level of the bleed scr=
ew before it goes into the bottle.=20
Crack the bleed screw just enough to allow the fluid to come out. Pump the b=
rakes and top up as needed. When you see clear fluid with no bubbles close t=
he bleed screw and you are done.=20
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 23, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wr=
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> =EF=BB=BF When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for al=
l the same reasons.=20
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>> On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <Mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:=
>>=20
>> They need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the bra=
kes. You can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the cr=
appy bleed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in A=
sia also have crappy threads, a crappy seat, and are made of crappy metal.=20=
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wr=
ote:
>>>=20
>>> On both of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex size.
>>> =20
>>> Wheel cylinders are quite a bit smaller so not surprising the bleed nipp=
les are smaller.
>>> =20
>>> How tight do you need them to be? If they round-off it's the screw that=
is the problem. Use a socket for initial loosening and final tightening, i=
n my 3/8" drive socket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".
>>> =20
>>> PaulH.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
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e instruments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs act=
ual tightening, like a bleed screw.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">You can get result by putting together you o=
wn bleeder. Plus you won=E2=80=99t make a mess. <div>I got this i=
dea from a book on auto repair back in the 1960s and I=E2=80=99ve been using=
it ever since both at home and in a shop professionally. </div><div>Yo=
u will need a Clear 20oz soda bottle, 18=E2=80=9D or so of rubber hose that f=
its snugly on the bleed screw, a couple feet of mechanics wire or a zip tie a=
nd a coat hanger. </div><div>Secure the end of the hose just off the bo=
ttom of the bottle. Use the mechanics wire or pop a couple of holes for the z=
ip tie. Make sure not to pinch off the hose. Use the rest of the wire or han=
ger to fashion a hook. </div><div>Hang the bottle somewhere under the c=
ar. Run the hose to the bleeder. This is the important part, the hose has to=
go up above the level of the bleed screw before it goes into the bottle.&nb=
sp;</div><div>Crack the bleed screw just enough to allow the fluid to come o=
ut. Pump the brakes and top up as needed. When you see clear fluid with no b=
ubbles close the bleed screw and you are done. </div><div>Rick<br><br><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite">On May 23, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Osborne, Paul via Mgs <mgs@autox=
.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
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When they first came out I tried a set, I threw them away for all the same r=
easons.
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</div>
<div class=3D"">paul o</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">On May 23, 2020, at 7:07 PM, Max Heim via Mgs <<a href=3D=
"mailto:Mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">Mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</di=
v>
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-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spaci=
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rm: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text=
-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">The=
y
need to be tight enough not to leak while someone is pumping the brakes. Yo=
u can=E2=80=99t bleed with a socket on it. The problem is that the crappy bl=
eed screws that are inappropriately metric because they are made in Asia als=
o have crappy threads, a crappy seat,
and are made of crappy metal. </span><br style=3D"font-family: Helveti=
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On May 23, 2020, at 12:57 AM, PaulHunt73 via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net" class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"">
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ont-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-sp=
acing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
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<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">On b=
oth of mine the clutch and caliper nipples are the same hex size.</font></fo=
nt></div>
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<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font> </div>
<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">Wheel cylinders are quite a bit s=
maller so not surprising the bleed nipples are smaller.</font></div>
</font></div>
</font></div>
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<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">How tight do you need them t=
o be? If they round-off it's the screw that is the problem. Use a=
socket for initial loosening and final tightening, in my 3/8" drive so=
cket set they go down to 4mm and 3/16".</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D""></font> </div>
<div class=3D""><font size=3D"2" class=3D"">PaulH.</font></div>
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----- Original Message -----<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </sp=
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I can see why =E2=80=94 it is a uselessly tiny size. Appropriate for fine in=
struments, perhaps, but seriously undersized for anything that needs actual t=
ightening, like a bleed screw.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </=
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