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My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on
the lathe and replace the brushes.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:
>
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on
> a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
>
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
> Now there is a discussion:
>
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
> High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
>
>
>
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>
>
>
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>
>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator
> has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a=
new one
> (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or hav=
e the original
> repaired=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> *Aan:* h.duinhoven@planet.nl
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs@autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
>
>
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that
> with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter bo=
dy
> when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being lost in t=
he
> connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than th=
at.
>
>
>
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the
> problem.
>
>
>
> PaulH.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to
> chassis cable.
>
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
> Nothing helped so far.
>
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it
> will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V
> to the engine.
>
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is
> logical.
>
> Nice winter job.
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> *Namens *Dan DiBiase
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> *CC:* mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
>
>
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious,
> now!) advice..............................
>
>
>
> Dan D
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.co=
m>
> wrote:
>
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit
> of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fu=
el
> into jugs.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently
> returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon
> out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed
> in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the g=
as
> before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so
> around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
>
>
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior o=
f
> the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain ar=
ea
> and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
> couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
>
>
> Thx,
>
>
>
> Dan D
>
> '76B- Getting There
>
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
> Central NJ USA
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn t=
he commutator on the lathe and replace the brushes.</div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:=
48 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"white=
" lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"=
><div class=3D"m_-633492779099770990WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It i=
s on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value i=
s measured on the starter ingoing post.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circu=
its.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><b=
r>Now there is a discussion:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D=
=E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=
New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white=
labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-cat=
egorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/=
electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> <u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.ang=
loparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> <u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There i=
s a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator has been r=
epaired +/- 10 years ago.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well,=
but what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =
=E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans <=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1=
e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Pa=
ulHunt73 <<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com"; target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>> <br><b>Verzonden:</=
b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:h.duinho=
ven@planet.nl" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</=
a><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; 'MGB-=
Yahoo' <<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: =
[Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on =
the battery posts (adding the two voltages together if twin 6v batteries) w=
hen cranking, then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable stud =
on the solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=C2=A0 The difference b=
etween the two is what is being lost in the connections, a volt or so is no=
rmal but it shouldn't be much more than that.</span><u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much less than =
10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=C2=A0is the problem.</span><u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;p=
adding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0=
cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">----- Original Message -=
---- <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ba=
ckground:#e4e4e4"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I alrea=
dy cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=
Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. <u></u><u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will=
be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. a=
s the battery is new.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starte=
r motor +12V to the engine.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was ove=
rhauled, this is logical.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"b=
order:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
> <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 20=
20 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a href=3D"mailto:richardolinds=
ay@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">richardolindsay@gmail.co=
m</a>><br><b>CC:</b> mglist <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Yahoo &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoni=
ng Gas<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with thi=
s excellent (and obvious, now!) advice..............................<u></u>=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><u></u=
><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
r">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0c=
m 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I disconnected th=
e fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, use=
d the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>>=
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left=
:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top=
:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi=
all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the road for 5 years, was recently=
returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon o=
ut the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in=
. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas b=
efore I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so arou=
nd 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).=C2=A0<u></u><u></u=
></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if =
the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose b=
eyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would =
really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.<u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-=C2=A0 Getting =
There<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting=
It's Turn<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Central N=
J USA<br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></di=
v></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">________________________________=
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