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The high torque starters are small, lighter, and use less amperage than =
a stock one. In addition, they turn the motor faster and give you =
better starts. Plus they are generally high quality for Japanese cars, =
fitted to ours. That would be my first choice.
=20
The replacement parts made for our cars are often made in China and low =
quality. So I would say second choice is rebuilt.
=20
From: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barrie Robinson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:33 PM
To: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
=20
Hello folks,
I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD. =
I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in =
progress' chariot. I am not sure 'new' things these days are as good =
as 'old' ones When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked =
the shop if I should buy a new one from them or recondition the old one. =
The bloke took me into the back repair area and said 'Look'. It was =
filed with new machines and no old ones. He said my 30 year old =
reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one would =
expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty. Remembering that our =
'top of the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its =
two years I went with reconditioning. A local bod, who does nothing =
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter =
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed =
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with =
a total bill of C$150. So I will always go with bods that do =
'refurbishing' provided they are a well established shop. Using 'on =
line' outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.
Now back to the program !
Cheers
Barrie
On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven@planet.nl =
=20
I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
Now there is a discussion:
Repair the starter or buy a new one.
High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
=20
https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/=20
=20
https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024=20
=20
There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator =
has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
They did a good job.
I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 =
a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at =
octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
=20
Cheers,
Hans=20
=20
<paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>=20
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
=20
Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two =
voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that =
with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter =
body when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.
=20
If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the =
problem.
=20
PaulH.
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
=20
Next job is the slow starter motor.=20
I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery =
to chassis cable.
Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.=20
Nothing helped so far.
So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be o.k. as the battery is new.
Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V =
to the engine.
When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is =
logical.
Nice winter job.
=20
> Namens Dan DiBiase
Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com =
Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
=20
OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, =
now!) advice..............................
=20
Dan D
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
=20
=20
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay =
I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit =
of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old =
fuel into jugs.
=20
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com =
Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently =
returned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon =
out the 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it =
towed in. The car is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most =
of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just under =
1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less (assuming gauge =
accuracy).=20
=20
I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior =
of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a =
certain area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really =
like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it up.
=20
Thx,=20
=20
Dan D
'76B- Getting There
'65B - Waiting It's Turn
Central NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>The high torque starters are =
small, lighter, and use less amperage than a stock one.=C2=A0 In =
addition, they turn the motor faster and give you better starts.=C2=A0 =
Plus they are generally high quality for Japanese cars, fitted to =
ours.=C2=A0 That would be my first choice.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
replacement parts made for our cars are often made in China and low =
quality.=C2=A0 So I would say second choice is rebuilt.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mgs =
<mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barrie =
Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
mgs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was =
Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Hello =
folks,<br><br>I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand =
new MG TD. I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars =
inducing on my current 'in progress' chariot. I am not sure =
'new' things these days are as good as 'old' ones When I =
took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should =
buy a new one from them or recondition the old one. The bloke took =
me into the back repair area and said 'Look'. It was filed with =
new machines and no old ones. He said my 30 year old reconditioned =
washer would last another 30 years but a new one would expire pretty =
soon after its 2 year warranty. Remembering that our 'top of =
the line' German dish washer has had two service calls in its two years =
I went with reconditioning. A local bod, who does nothing =
else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick starter =
and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed =
replacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with =
a total bill of C$150. So I will always go with bods =
that do 'refurbishing' provided they are a well established =
shop. Using 'on line' outfits is a lottery call but there =
some good guys out there.<br><br>Now back to the program =
!<br><br>Cheers<br>Barrie</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 =
volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>The =
same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So no =
tension loss on the electrical circuits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><br>Now there is a =
discussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Repair the starter or buy a new =
one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>High =
torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is =
pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC =
200,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>New =
starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>New starter looking like a Lucas =
(white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-=
categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024";>http=
s://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where =
the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years =
ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>They =
did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is =
better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC =
135,00 at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Hans </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 <a =
href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";><paulhunt73@virginmedia.com=
></a> <br><b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 =
11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br><b>CC:=
</b> 'mglist' <a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";><mgs@autox.team.net></a>; =
'MGB-Yahoo' <a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";><mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com></a>=
<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning =
Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Yes, measure the =
voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltages =
together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the =
voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body =
when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being =
lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much =
more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If you get much less =
than 10v at the battery posts then that is the =
problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>----- Original =
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Next job is the slow starter motor. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>I already =
cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Also =
cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Nothing helped so =
far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>So =
next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it =
will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Following step will be measuring =
the voltage over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was =
overhauled, this is logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Nice winter =
job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
> <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober =
2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;<br><b>CC:</b> mglist <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Yahoo =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";>mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br>=
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>OMG, =
duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) =
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I had the same problem. I disconnected =
the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil =
disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into =
jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi all.... My '76B, which was off =
the road for 5 years, was recently returned to me from the shop. They =
added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was =
just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is running pretty =
rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fill it up. It is =
currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a =
little less (assuming gauge accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of =
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain =
area and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to =
remove a couple more gallons before I fill it =
up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thx, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'76B- Getting There<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Central NJ USA<br =
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