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Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

To: "Robert's New iPad" <mgbobh@gmail.com>, "Barrie Robinson" <barrob@bell.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
From: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 08:30:11 -0000
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New stuff definitely not as good as old, especially anything with rubber =
in it.  As far as white goods barely lasting the warranty period =
'planned obsolescence' was a term that became current decades ago.  My =
Mum only ever had one vacuum cleaner that I first became aware of in the =
50s, also an Electrolux, she said it had been the most powerful one on =
the market.  It may have sucked well 50 years previously but couldn't =
compare with a Bosch for example today, what her cleaner thought of it I =
don't know.  When she died a few years ago I sold it to a collector, =
still had all the accessories, even the original rubber mains cable!

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
     Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors =
to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. =
Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 =
years of service from the new one.  Some might say that sucks.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>New stuff definitely not as good as old, especially =
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warranty=20
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ago.&nbsp;=20
My Mum only ever had one vacuum cleaner that I first became aware of in =
the 50s,=20
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don't=20
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still had=20
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cable!</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp; &nbsp;Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. =
Apparently=20
  there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, =
another=20
  Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not =
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the =
voltage on the posts while
            cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I =
wonder
            if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is =
measured on the starter
            ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss =
on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
            Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter =
or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =
=3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on =
exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter =
Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking =
like a Lucas (white
            labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><a =
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/=
starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mg=
b/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><a =
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024"; =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26=
883/082.024</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local =
electrical car parts repair
            shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
            ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can =
fix the starter as well, but
            what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC =
152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00
            at octagonparts) or have the original =
repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";>&lt;paulhunt73@virginmedia.com=
&gt;</a> <br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>&lt;mgs@autox.team.net&gt;</a>;
              'MGB-Yahoo' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";>&lt;mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com&gt;</a>=
<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,&nbsp;measure
                the voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the =
two
                voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
                then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
                stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when =
cranking.&nbsp;
                The difference between the two is what is being lost in
                the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
                be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If =
you
                get much less than 10v at the battery posts =
then&nbsp;that&nbsp;is
                the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">-----=

                Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fa=
reast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow =
starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned =
the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis =
cable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned =
thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so =
far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be =
verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will =
be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the =
engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the =
starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is =
logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" =
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
              <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;;
              MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a =
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
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              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM =
Dan
                    DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC
                  1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
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.0pt">
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, =
which&nbsp;was
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out =
about
                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-&nbsp; Getting =
There<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's =
Turn<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Central NJ USA<br =
clear=3D"all">
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a =
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moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
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