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Re: Privatization-NOT

To: davemiles2sonaz@uswest.net
Subject: Re: Privatization-NOT
From: Carl Elliott <grunt2@adelphia.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:03:48 -0400
Cc: Paul A Asgeirsson <pasgeirsson@juno.com>, GMari58175@aol.com, hello39@idt.net, ERIC080@aol.com, spridgets@autox.team.net
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Reply-to: Carl Elliott <grunt2@adelphia.net>
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We get $ 1.50 an hour for 6 hours and nothing extra for saturday or sunday. We 
do get
to save a vacation day for working a holiday.
Big money wow. Carl E.

Dave Miles wrote:

> And receive double time and extra pay for working at night
> or on Sundays.  Tell them the truth Carl, about the folks
> who bid on night and Sunday jobs for the differential.  Tell
> them about those who work Sundays and complain if they don't
> receive double Sundays.  Tell them about getting extra
> holiday pay, increasing amounts of leave, and job security
> which prevents an incompetent being fired if he has a small
> amount of seniority.
> Yes, many people work nights, holidays, and all.  Everyone
> from the clerk at the 7-11 to the cop on patrol to my
> veterinarian who delivered a foal on Christmas morning at 4
> AM.  They don't get all of those special privileges, but
> they go on making things work anyway.
>
> Yes, management screws up a lot of the process.  $5,000
> bonuses from some suit on the third floor because his
> employees exceeded some minimal goal gets me every time.
> But I also watched clerks throw the same tray of mail for
> three hours for the overtime, and management had nothing to
> do with that.
>
> Sorry Carl, but as you can tell, I have been where you are.
> I tell you this, I am glad as hell I got out.  If you like
> your job, good.  The greatest thing in the world is to have
> work you love.  And yes, I would say that our Postal Service
> is one of the best in the world.  For what it costs us, it
> should be.  But if you want someone to do the "research" and
> have it agree with you, find someone who has never worked
> there.
>
> Dave Miles
> Tucson, AZ
>
> Carl Elliott wrote:
> >
> >     Sorry about the spelling just got up, Have to go to work at mid night,
> > Lets see some private guy do that and work Christmas, new years, easter,
> > snow storms, hurricanes every other holiday and disaster. Carl E.
> >
> > Carl Elliott wrote:
> >
> > > They do this where I work and we go to the labor relations  court and we 
>are
> > > paid for not doing the work because they pay outside contractors an hourly
> > > rate of  $ 75.00 an hour to do work we do for around  $25.00.
> > >  Then they say its because they do it faster, We use the some times,
> > > then they also pay to ship the vehicles to the vendors. This is just a 
>way of
> > > paying the big money political contributors back. Send them the civial
> > > servants work, pay them 3 times what the job cost and say its because
> > > its cheaper and faster. All lies. We do it cheaper , faster  and with 
>almost
> > > no returns as opposed to 75% failure rate by the vendors. Post office and
> > > most other civial servents are blamed for everyones graft and greed, Funds
> > > diverted to other goverment and state projects and then blamed on the 
>civial
> > > servent. Do some research, Get the truth. Carl E.
> > >
> > > Paul A Asgeirsson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I've got to weigh in here on the USPS vs UPS theme here.
> > > >
> > > > I don't work for either one.  I use both of them, but I select what a
> > > > send through each.  USPS is by far the best in on time delivery with
> > > > first class (Priority over 13 oz.) mail packages.  UPS doesn't even come
> > > > close.
> > > >
> > > > Be careful you don't compare apples with oranges on services available.
> > > > Wxpress mail is always as agreed upon.  If the receiving PO says no
> > > > tomorrow delivery, there won't be any.  If you want Saturday delivery 
>wth
> > > > UPS be prepared to pay the $10 that goes along with only their premium
> > > > services.
> > > >
> > > > UPS offers a lot of services, and you pay more for all of them than you
> > > > do for any equivelant USPS service
> > > >
> > > > UPS Domestic    UPS Next day air early AM       Overnight by 8 am
> > > >                 UPS Next day air                Overnight by 10:30 am
> > > >                 UPS Next day air saver  Overnight by 3:00 pm
> > > >                 UPS Second day air AM   Second day by noon
> > > >                 UPS Second day air              Second day by end of
> > > > day (up to 9                                    pm)
> > > >                 UPS 3 Day select                within three business
> > > > days                                            (weekends don't
> > > > count)
> > > >                 UPS Ground (Commercial) Day-definate
> > > >                 UPS Ground (Residential)        Scheduled service
> > > > There is a $1.00 surcharge to residential deliveries, which includes any
> > > > business operated from a home, and to out of the way locations there is
> > > > an additional charge  above that.
> > > >
> > > > $7.50 or $5.00 address correction fee, depending on service.
> > > >
> > > > USPS            Express Mail            Next day to nearly all
> > > > locations
> > > >                 First Class (up to 13 oz)       2-5 days
> > > >                 Priority Mail           2-5 days Claims (2-3days)
> > > > They                                    also supply the mailers NC
> > > >                 Fourth Class            Be patient
> > > >                 Standard Mail           For bulk mailers only. Rates
> > > > as low                                  as 10 ents a piece.
> > > >                 Periodicals             For publishers only.  Lowest
> > > > in the                                  world.
> > > >
> > > > I use both services, but USPS is becoming my favored way, it's quicker,
> > > > cheaper and more reliable.  Also now has tracking for 35 cents more.
> > > >
> > > > I also use bulk mail non profit for my high school Alumni newspaper.  If
> > > > you prepare it properly for automation, it moves almost as fast as first
> > > > class now.
> > > >
> > > > USPS handles about 800,000,000 mail pieces a day on average, to
> > > > 120,000,000 addresses in the US.  They service every address on a six 
>day
> > > > a week basis.  They also are not a true Government unit but a quasi
> > > > independent one that manages to turn a profit each year, with rare
> > > > exception.
> > > >
> > > > They also handle first class mail letters for about 1/2 the average 
>price
> > > > of any other nation.  There may be some black holes for mail service in
> > > > the US, but my experiences working with my mail reps are all positive.
> > > > The system works well.
> > > >
> > > > Compare fairly.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Asgeirsson
> > > > Morriservice
> > > > 9123 N Clarendon Ave
> > > > Portland OR 97203-2750
> > > > 503-978-3998
> > > > PAsgeirsson@juno.com
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:13:14 -0700 Dave Miles
> > > > <davemiles2sonaz@uswest.net> writes:
> > > > >The facts go against your statements.  Every time a function
> > > > >of the PO has become privatized, the service has improved.
> > > > >UPS delivery far exceeds PO third and fourth classes.  Fed
> > > > >Ex greatly exceeds the Express Mail success rates.  As for
> > > > >the Carriers striking, that would be one of the best things
> > > > >that could happen.  See my original post about overpaid and
> > > > >underworked.  UPS and FedEx both deliver on Saturdays, and
> > > > >in most major cities, on Sundays as well.  The cost might go
> > > > >up, but I doubt it.  I pay less to either of these companies
> > > > >than to the PO.
> > > > >
> > > > >Reality check here, folks!  The postal service is a typical
> > > > >government agency, bloated with fat bureaucrats.  Can you
> > > > >think of any government agency which is worse due to
> > > > >privatization?
> > > > >
> > > > >Now back to lurk mode.
> > > > >
> > > > >Dave Miles
> > > > >Tucson, AZ
> > > > >
> > > > >GMari58175@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In a message dated 4/18/99 8:09:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > >hello39@idt.net
> > > > >> writes:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> << but the Post Office just plain ol'
> > > > >>  > sucks.  Always has, always will, until its privatized.
> > > > >>  >  >>
> > > > >> To my dear friend Alan and anyone else interested.  The
> > > > >privatization of the
> > > > >> US Mail would result in:
> > > > >> A.  Mailing a letter would cost $3.5o and go up depending on
> > > > >distance.
> > > > >> B.  The mail carriers would go on strike
> > > > >> C.  Forget about Saturday delivery.
> > > > >> D.  Mail trucks would become BMW's.
> > > > >> E.  Complete and utter distruction of an amazing level of accuracy
> > > > >ingetting
> > > > >> your mail.
> > > > >> Forget privatization!  In my opinion.
> > > > >> PS:  No I don't work for the post office.  Just a satisfied custome.
> > > > >> george marinos
> > > > >> sprite MKII AN6
> > > > >> glen rock, nj


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