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RE: Archimedes'principle-Eureka's dirty bath water!

To: "'catsclaws@msn.com'" <catsclaws@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Archimedes'principle-Eureka's dirty bath water!
From: "JAN SVEN-ERIK HARDE, LUTCF" <harde@cyberesc.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:52:50 -0600
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From:  david duncanson[SMTP:catsclaws@msn.com]
Sent:  Monday, July 07, 1997 1:58 PM
To:  tigers@autox.team.net
Subject:  Archimedes'principle-Eureka's dirty bath water!

David,
Welcome home again to you...
Great seeing you up there, and all along the way.
You are right, some may not appreciate all that goes in to an event, =
especially like this one.
But the point to be well taken is regarding the "" CONCOURSE "" as it =
was advertised on the web page with the wonderful judging form as well, =
many of us spent countless hours and tons of $$$$$$$$$$$ to meet the =
criteria set forth, and as Norm said, the powerful few, had this form =
pulled less than a week prior to the event...This was unfair indeed, not =
Norm's fault at all.
I certainly do not go to a United for the auto-cross, who would, fun but =
let's put it in prospective, Tiger auto restorers out there: do they =
advertise that we will restore your car so wonderfully that you can auto =
cross it???

Next year, lets do 2 hours of auto cross, or maybe 2 1/2  and let's =
spend 7 or 8 hours on the ""CONCOURSE ""  or a day and a half is even =
better....
SOUNDS GREAT....Let's move in to the 21st Century in style.....

Or rather to take it to a """SHOW"""??? I think the latter, I had a =
super duper time, especially since I went on the caravan.
I just believe that we have to get more serious re: the ""CONCOURSE"" =
the only time we have the opportunity to show off our hard work is once =
a year amongst our peers, and we need to stick by our guns, and not =
change just to please one or two people, but rather the masses..
David, I think you taking some people's comments as a personal attack, =
(this is how you come across anyway), is wrong, responses for the most =
part have been positive I think, but the " Show and Shine " was an =
outrage, as reported by at least=20
27 people at last count.....
Yours and Ian's and Rosmary's attendance and participation was superb, I =
only wish I could have been there on Thursday, but the graduation for my =
daughter had to come first...
I am thrilled to hear that you are going to Niagra Falls, I will try to =
go as well.

Hope your trip was great, and look forward to hearing from you soon..

Take care.....


See Ya'                         Jan..........................




Wow-693 messages on my mail system. That's what happens when you are =
away for=20
a month!
Well it took some time but I read most of them. I haven't had such a =
laugh=20
since the wife left me!

 I wouldn't usually make any direct attacks on anybody
But as some really uninformed comment and vindictive statements have =
already=20
been made then I=20
Think I'll join the party!!!

 This wonderful tool called the Internet is a double edged sword ,it is =
a=20
powerful communication device
And should be used with a degree of caution. Instead of creating unity =
within=20
the tiger community some of you=20
Seem to take delight in personal attacks on non paid enthusiasts whose =
sole=20
purpose was to volunteer there
 Services for your benefit?

So be it !
As that well known Scot William Shakespeare would say "cry havoc and let =
loose=20
the dogs of war"

Tiger Technologies?---------- So who stole your lollipop? Did you used =
to=20
stamp your feet and scream if you didn't
Get the biggest cream cake on the plate?
Do you have any concept of the hard work put in by Maria and Dennis =
Knapek,=20
Paul Reisentz, Bill Martin and countless
Others?------ Probably not.=20
And yet your "open letter" was  honed like a poisonous stiletto blade to =

inflict as much damage as possible.

Let me think ? How did the advert go?------- Yes I remember!


l                                                             =20
                                                                 =
SUNBEAMS OF=20
THE WEST

                                                         CONCOURS,RALLYE =
AND=20
SWELL TIME!

                                                        AUGUST=20
5-7,1994.SOLVANG,CALIFORNIA

The largest gathering of Sunbeams west of the Rockies!.----If you don't =
want=20
to have fun, or if club politics are your life, this event is NOT for =
you. WE=20
promise a fun ,informative, rewarding and VERY DIFFERENT program. Tech=20
sessions, a REAL swap meet, a FAIR,PROFESSIONALLY JUDGED concours and =
the best=20
rallye you've ever participated in. You'll  find it all at =20
                           =20
                                                               "SUNBEAMS =
OF=20
THE WEST


                                                                  =20
REGISTRATION $99.99
                                                                         =
     =20
                                      A TIGER TECHNOLOGIES PRESENTATION

Ok -so what happened to that event ? Ran out of steam? Couldn't get a=20
response? Clash with SUNI 11?
Not politically correct ? no happy band of volunteers? Lose your =
lollipop?=20
Somebody steal your cream cake?

It's not easy is it?-------------------- $99.99 for a two day event =
??????-in=20
1994??-sounds a bit like $125 in 1997 for a four day event?. Still you =
were=20
offering a dash plaque!

                     ( impartial readers will now start to understand =
that I'm=20
just a little teensy bit peeved ! )

EXPENSES!!!!!!!!!

Yes by all means let's talk about EXPENSES.
Countless phone calls, Talk Tony Eckford into lending me his Le Mans =
Tiger,=20
Hire of car, fitting of tow bar to car , hire of trailer, Three days to=20
transport the cars, customs forms, insurance, ship insurance, cheap and=20
cheerful respray of my car,
Flight to USA for myself, rosemary smith and Ian hall, travel to L.A., =
hotel=20
accommodation , travel to Port Ventura, Pick up cars ,
Back to L.A. , three nights accommodation, share a bed with Norman=20
Miller,(god! Did I really do that?) drive to Eureka,=20
Share more bed space with Norman!, raise $850 contribution from my club =
for=20
the event, raise over $2000 more at the auction, put on three slide =
shows ,=20
insult poor Peter Mac Donald who comes to my room with a bottle of =
Scotch by=20
saying I'm to busy because there are a million slides on the bedroom =
floor (=20
sorry Peter!)  M C the event, TAC the tiger, pay $30, listen to stupid=20
comments re my car "it's an Alpine!-it's a mk11 because it's got an oil=20
cooler!" Listen to personal insults  "why is he the M C- he's not even =
an=20
American ?"

Finally , fly back in August and repeat the exercise by driving to  =
Niagara=20
Falls ,then ship the cars back to the UK via Baltimore

And by the way I did attend your show in Costa Mesa and I didn't get any =
dash=20
"stinking" plaque!

OK so who do I send the bill to ?    DID YOU THINK I GOT PAID??? =
------------=20
NO WAY JOSE.
=20
Perhaps you are referring to Rosemary or Ian ? --Yes --accommodation was =
paid=20
? But to suggest that it came out of your=20
Registration is nonsense. Several thousand dollars was raised from =
sponsors, =20
not least my own club. Do you think the Clubs in your country would be =
so=20
generous if the situation was reversed?
Rosemary and Ian are both personal friends of mine - that is one of the=20
reasons I was able to convince them to attend "eureka"
Rosemary is only one of three personalities to have been awarded the =
honorific=20
"Sporting legend" in her own country
(more than your hall of fame) The first woman to be registered for Le =
Mans ,=20
Daytona and one of only four women to win an International event =
outright. She=20
has her own T.V show for gods sake!---- Probably the best ever female =
driver=20
to sit in a car?
A works driver for Rootes , Ford, Porsche, Lancia and =
B.M.C.------------- Heck=20
she's done more in her life than any 100 men put together!!!=20
And you're worried about a dash plaque?
I'm not even going to list what Ian Hall has done ---- sufficient to say =
that=20
his knowledge of the Roote's group is without peer.

Goose "Poop" lawn ! ---- give me a break ! -Did you walk on the =
promenade?=20
Visit the restaurant? Use the convenient and clean wash rooms? --- all =
within=20
"spitting" distance . Heck ,I was on the prom shooting the gulls with =
original=20
tiger rivets and=20
I didn't see YOU.

The rest of the CRAP on TUXX11
Is not even worth responding to ------------- Maria knapek was spot on  =
and=20
expressed far more eloquently than I can manage,
The following:

                                               "I am a little bit =
surprised by=20
the size of everyone's egos-
                                       they seem to be a bit larger than =
the=20
passion for the car that you own"
=20

If you do get involved with "Big Bear" then I genuinely wish you well=20
-----just remember it will cost you in time, money, commitment and =
heartache=20
------ and then someone will come along and say it was rubbish ?

Won't that be fun?

Congratulations to Mr Miller ,Margie kangas , Bill Martin, Paul =
Reisentz, Don=20
Whitely, Dennis and Maria Knapek and the whole band of unpaid ,happy =
helpers=20
like Dan Walters, Kathy and that terrific nutcase Alcala!

I guess your all totally "BONKERS"  Thanks for making it such a "goose =
poop"=20
event!
I suppose nobody wants to respond--------------      DO THEY?
D s Duncanson.  =20



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