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Re: Hydraulic fluids - getting your DOTs lined up.

To: Gary Moore <ARADO7@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic fluids - getting your DOTs lined up.
From: Larry Paulick <larry.p@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:56:14 -0700
Hi Gary.  If you want to use silicone, that is fine, and you should do 
so. It's your car after all.

But at around $3 per can, and at the rate most owners change their brake 
fluid, I doubt that the auto industry is going to get that rich.

Larry

Gary Moore wrote:
> Larry, I have worked in a number of automobile industry/military labs. This
> topic has been batted around for years. The automotive industry does what it
> can do to dissuade the use of Dot 5. They make claims that it is unsafe. The
> United States government uses it extensively in it's fleets for it is cost
> effective..meaning low maintenance and safe.  The automotive industry wants
> profit. Me? I want performance and install and forget it.  Regards,   Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Paulick" <larry.p@erols.com>
> To: "Gary Moore" <ARADO7@peoplepc.com>
> Cc: "Theo Smit" <tsmit@shaw.ca>; <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Hydraulic fluids - getting your DOTs lined up.
> 
> 
> 
>>Gary, I just read the article and I don't understand what you are
>>saying.  The article clearly pointed out the difference between silicone
>>DOT 5 and DOT 5.1.  It clearly pointed out the difference, including use
>>of non silicone in EU bikes.
>>
>>That was the article I read, and it did not obfuscate or provide
>>disinformation.
>>
>>It pointed out some very good information, on a subject that is much
>>taken for granted.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>Gary Moore wrote:
>>
>>>Theo, The "disinformation" part was trying to obfuscate the Dot 5 with
>>
> Dot
> 
>>>5.1. Dot 5 in the United States is silicone. Dot 5.1 is not. The
>>
> remainder
> 
>>>of the world does not recognize our DOT regulation. The Bel Ray article
>>>condemned Dot 5 basically on racing applications. Most Tigers are not
>>
> raced,
> 
>>>the rotors never "glow".  Regards,  Gary
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Theo Smit" <tsmit@shaw.ca>
>>>To: "Gary Moore" <arado7@peoplepc.com>
>>>Cc: <tigers@autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:43 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Hydraulic fluids - getting your DOTs lined up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gary,
>>>>Since nothing that I or the Bel-Ray FAQ states disagrees with your
>>>
>>>experience,
>>>
>>>
>>>>information, or opinions as expressed on the list, why do you call it
>>>>"disinformation"?
>>>>
>>>>I own two sets of Hope disc brakes for my mountain bikes, and Hope specs
>>>
>>>DOT
>>>
>>>
>>>>5.1, non-silicone, hydraulic fluid. Since that's harder to get than
>>>
>>>plutonium on
>>>
>>>
>>>>this side of the Atlantic, I used Hayes DOT 4 instead.
>>>>
>>>>I agree that silicone fluid gives reduced maintenance in a properly
>>>
>>>flushed
>>>
>>>
>>>>hydraulic system, where 'properly flushed' implies complete disassembly
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>rebuilding of all the brake system components. However, as Larry Paulick
>>>
>>>says,
>>>
>>>
>>>>flushing the brake system every two years is recommended when using
>>>
> glycol
> 
>>>based
>>>
>>>
>>>>fluid. How much time do we spend doing other stuff on a Tiger over two
>>>
>>>years?
>>>
>>>
>>>>The hour or two that it takes to flush new fluid into a brake system is
>>>
>>>pretty
>>>
>>>
>>>>minor compared to some of the other 'routine' maintenance.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Theo

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