Stick around, Jean. Your posts are about our sport, and help people new to
the sport to get better. Hell, it helps people OLD to the sport get better.
I've been in it 35 years, took the Phase I and II within the past 5 years.
Rule was you could not do Phase II until you'd done I. I been doing this so
long I don' need no steenkin Phase I! but I did it anyway. Not sure McKamey
told me all that much, but he did get me to sit a bit closer to the wheel.
Not sure Tamandli told me all that much, but he did get me to be a bit
smoother on my turns and more aggressive on the pylons. Hmmm, maybe they did
teach me something.
And Jean? That was when she was in the wheelchair! And she still watched me
drive and gave me a better way to get around big turns (the teardrop in the
Phase I course).
So, yes, its valuable -- to any autocrosser, and therefore proper fodder for
Now, the idea of a separate list to inform people about dates --- hey,
alert, most of the people who might want to do this school are not so deep
into the sport they know of all these other arcane addresses for this or
that. Team.Net is a pretty "Basic list" now for autox. You oughta be able to
come here and get info like that. Make a separate list and all you do is
hide it from everyone so nobody knows about it.
I think anyone who has an event upcoming -- and Evolution schools are
generally some Region's or Club's event -- should be able to post a notice
here about it. Nothing wrong with Jean posting that notice.
But all that may be necessary are the dates, the site, the host club, and
name the instructors and what phases are offered. Beyond that, just be ready
to answer the questions anyone asks. If they ask on line, then answer it on
Now candidly, when I see Jean's Evolution school posts I just hit Delete. My
Region usually does one in the spring, so I know about it that way. But ya
know what? We get in 36-50 students and most of them are NOT from my Region.
How do they find out about it? It ain't from our Region newsletter -- yes,
it is there, but all those new students are not (yet) receiving it.
There also are dozens of other topics I hit Delete on. I recommend the
procedure to anyone who tires of Jean's posts.
And I urge Jean to keep the faith and keep on posting!
From: Jkinser77@aol.com <Jkinser77@aol.com>
To: email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:25 AM
Subject: Last posting to team.net for Evolution
>Due to the posts against the school helping clubs advertise and us
>questions being asked about what is going on, I now have had 2 instructors
>quit team.net out of frustration to reading responses to use letting people
>know what is happening with the school, new creations, needing imput and
>from people, and updating the happenings of the 70 some schools we do a
>to make this sport a better place. I took on the responsibility of
>the dial In schools for some clubs and told them I would help..one of them
>being at 3pm today was when it was finalized...and then for letting people
>know of 2 new schools to be added and team.net was the first to now...I
>asked for help for putting on some...I also posted for a service being
>to do to offer(gift certificates) and so I did. I was asked to "chair "
>dial in for tuscon and I live in florida...gee, thought this might be a
>way to reach people.
>Well-I was first asked 2 years ago to get on this list and offer our
>services. I was told because of the number of people we go through, with
>the different things we offer, and all the updating and changes that happen
>with these schools, they said since this service is an autocrossing related
>topic, service 24 hours a day, 7 days a week it would be very helpful and
>much appreciated and great for these newer people. But, the more
>people, the people who are involved at a national level, the people who
>been in this sport and in the know-the people who NEED to be on this list,
>the people who you can learn from, the people who are involved(SEB, all the
>committees, organizers, and yep, the top drivers whose imput and advice
>really DO matter and make a difference) all warned me against it. These
>people now are mostly gone off this list or choose not to read it or
>to it due to the flaming, rocks throwing, name calling...I thought this was
>place to voice opinions, give advice, offer help of any sort, let people
>of what is happening, share stories, jokes, post results...and anything you
>didn't care about, you didn't have to read by hitting delete...and isn't
>this all supposed to be autocross related? Hhhmmm, so many issues non
>autocross related I have read...well, this was rather the last straw for
>I know I told so many of you I would keep you posted, I would try to do
>things for your clubs, help advertise and market the school/events we will
>having together...I appreciate all the help. I hope we have been able to
>listen to your wants and desires and try to accomodate...I hope I along
>all the instructors who work for this school and the few who are left on
>network have been able to help many of you in ways. To those of you who
>wanted to be the first to know on things going on, I will post to the web.
>appologize in advance to any of you who do not get registered or signed up
>for some of the limited things we put on due to the fact you did not know
>early enough as it was not posted to this first. if someone who hears, or
>from a clubs posts anything, that is up to them. When you try to improve
>sport, when you post accomplishments of people on jobs well done, when you
>offer special things for the people who ask and you are replied to in the
>this school has been in the past couple months (by a few people who have
>been to or participated in something so beneficial to the autocrossing
>and especially by people who probably could benefit from some aspect of
>service) it is very frustrating to have to think twice about posting
>something new and exciting...and that is what Evolution is all about...ever
>improving, ever offering new things, making this place a more fun and
>competitive place to play. We are about giving back to the sport.
>I appreicate all the support on this the past year. We will continue to
>advertise as we have, through clubs. You can always reach me personally at
>email@example.com or hit the website at www.autocross.com/mckameyschool
>-oopps there I go spaming again!
>maybe when this net thing ever gets back to the days of long ago and more
>the key influential people are back with their posts, maybe when it gets
>to what it first was started as from what I was told it may be time to join
>Owner Evolution Performance Driving School-oopsss, spam again!!!