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Re: Header thickness

To: <JLBrooksNC@aol.com>, <marc@gracieland.org>, <plhbauman@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Header thickness
From: Geegc@aol.com
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:06:09 EST
In a message dated Mon, 4 Feb 2002  3:22:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
JLBrooksNC writes:

> I guess I missed the start of the thread...
> What kinds of problems do you get when the manifold is too thick or too thin? 
> UNDEQUAL PRESSURE ON THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST SIDES FROM THE NUTS WHEN 
>TIGHTENING IT UP.
> 
> And a follow up question... What is the torque specs on the manifold and carb 
>to the head?  GOOD QUESTION, PERHAPS TOM WALTERS KNOWS.
> 
> And the third... do I use a sealent around the exhaust/carb gasket?  I've 
>heard red RTV...  ALSO GOOD QUESTION, SOME DON'T USE ANYTHING.
> 
> TIA
> JB
> 1968 2L 
> 
> In a message dated Sun, 3 Feb 2002  5:42:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Marc 
>Sayer <marc@gracieland.org> writes:
> 
> > No! (Well okay, it might work for a few folks, for a while, but it is a bad
> > "solution") You do not want to arbitrarily mess with the compressibility and
> > compressed thickness of gaskets. In fact this is generally one of the worst
> > cheap fixes for this problem. Gasket design is based on science and you 
>can't
> > really just mess with the gaskets like this most of the time. The proper
> > solution for a bunch of reasons (including a tendency to warp the flange) 
>is to
> > buy headers made with the correct thickness flange. Any other solution
> > (including gaskets, tabs welded onto the header flange, and stepped washers)
> > will only lead to problems. You *might* be able to address a problem where 
>the
> > intake manifold flange was thinner with one of these approaches, as the 
>intake
> > manifold does not tend to warp, but with a header this is a major waste of 
>time.
> > Yes a car maker could perhaps design a stepped or two-part gasket that would
> > work, maybe. But an individual does not have the resources to do the R&D for
> > this, *and* the issue of header flange warpage is still unresolved with this
> > approach. In order of preference the solutions to this problem are;
> > 
> > 1-get a header with the right thickness flange
> > 2-use stepped washers (because this way at least the header flange is the 
>same
> > thickness throughout)
> > 3-weld tabs onto the flange (welding on the tabs will warp the flange and 
>the
> > flange must be surfaced *after* welding, plus the varied effective 
>thickness of
> > the flange will cause warpage problems)
> > 4-use stepped gaskets (NOT recommended)
> > 
> > Spray on Copper Coat or just plain silver hi-temp paint (the aluminum 
>pigment in
> > the paint acts as a gasket dressing) work well. 

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