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Re: [Healeys] Steering problem

To: John Carter <jc9821@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering problem
From: i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:28:24 -0700
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John,
What are the symptoms?  What do you mean by easier?  Is it stiff part of
the way right and left? Does the car wander?

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
please forgive odd words and auto corrects as   my phone cannot understand
my misspellings

On Aug 6, 2016 3:52 PM, "John and Judy Carter" <jc9821@msn.com> wrote:

> What steps can I take in my BJ8 to make it steer easier. I have a new worm
> gear but have not installed it yet. I have filled the box with thick oil to
> prevent leaking.
>
>
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>    1. Re: Steering idler bits (Chris Scholz)
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>    3. Re: Steering idler bits (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steve=20B.=20Gerow?=)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:39:53 +0000
> From: Chris Scholz <drscholz@visioncenterpc.com>
> To: Al Malin <amalin@mac.com>
> Cc: "Healeys@autox.team.net" <Healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits
> Message-ID: <17BDEB0F-982B-49A2-876D-362466AC8347@visioncenterpc.com>
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> I am using the John Deere grease and it doesn't leak anymore but there is
> a trace amount of seepage.  I did not rebuild the box and seals.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Chris Scholz OD
>
> > On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Al Malin <amalin@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?ve heard some people have used John Deere Corn Head grease in this
> application with success. Don?t know if that is true. Just repeating what
> I?ve heard.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEwk_sYP6A8
> >
> > Al Malin
> > Tricarb
> >
> >> On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Many thanks to one and all.
> >> a)      I had misread the parts diagram. I knew something was a bit
> off, hence the query.
> >> b)      Indeed, an apparently simple task is a potential labour of
> Hercules and I?m very glad that I asked!
> >> c)       I shall fill the thing up with Penrite Steering Box lube and
> see how that goes.
> >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:44:49 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> To: Reinhart Rosner <reinhart.rosner@aon.at>
> Cc: healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] electric fan for 3000???
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> What's a rocker gear?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Reinhart Rosner" <reinhart.rosner@aon.at>
> To: "randy dickson" <rdickson@midwestarchaeology.com>, "healeys" <
> healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:58:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] electric fan for 3000???
>
>
>
> Randy,
>
> first of all I would recommend to search for the reason, why your BJ7 is
> getting a lot more hot recently.
>
>
>
> I had a similar problem with my 100 some years ago. After almost 10 years
> driving around without any overheating, even when being stuck in traffic
> jam in Vienna with 30 deg C outside or driving up the Austrian mountains in
> summertime. The temperature gauge never showed anything more than 180 deg F
> (app 85 deg C). Maybe the louvred bonnet did help too.
>
>
>
> Then all of a sudden my 100 started with overheating problems, went that
> hot, that the engine began to sputter and later quit working and only could
> be restarted after cooling down. This happened in slow traffic and in the
> mountains.
>
>
>
> I checked and fixed one thing after the other: carbs, ignition, radiator,
> head and exhaust gasket, water pump, thermostat, ... I even exchanged the
> complete exhaust system just to be sure that there is no problem coming
> from this point.
>
>
>
> Throughout all this my mechanic always told me to install an electric fan
> and all problems would be gone. The only concession I made is a six blade
> fan, which did help a little, but did not cure the problem.
>
>
>
> During one last drive I heard some noise and we found out that it came
> from a main bearing which destroyed the crankshaft. And while the engine is
> out he could search for the real cause for the overheating and found out
> that it came from the rocker gear.
>
>
>
> Conclusion:
>
> Starting with no problems and then from one point having a lot of
> difficulties made me oppose to install an electric fan and rather search
> for the real cause. My experience is that in the climate zone I live in my
> 100 should run without, except if you race your car.
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Reinhart
>
>
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>
>
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> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 19:38:15 -0800
> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steve=20B.=20Gerow?=" <steveg@abrazosdata.com>
> To: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits
> Message-ID: <20160806033815.22319.qmail@hoster902.com>
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> Loosen the bolts on the front of the steering box. The goop will drip out.
>
> >>>
> From: "rrengineer.mike" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> To: Earl Kagna <kags@shaw.ca>, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits
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> How would you go about purging the old oil/Grease to replace it with the
> John Deere stuff? ?
> Mike MacLeanSan Bernardino (where it is 106 degrees plus on some summer
> days here)
>
> <<<
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> Steve Gerow
> Altadena, CA
> Maker of most complete rear disc kit
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<p dir=3D"ltr">John,<br>
What are the symptoms?=C2=A0 What do you mean by easier?=C2=A0 Is it stiff =
part of the way right and left? Does the car wander? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR<br>
1959 Austin Healey 100-6<br>
please forgive odd words and auto corrects as=C2=A0=C2=A0 my phone cannot u=
nderstand my misspellings </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 6, 2016 3:=
52 PM, &quot;John and Judy Carter&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jc9821@msn.co=
m">jc9821@msn.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
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mily:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p>What steps can I take in my BJ8 to make it steer easier. I have a new wo=
rm gear but have not installed it yet. I have filled the box with thick oil=
 to prevent leaking.</p>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:39:53 +0000<br>
From: Chris Scholz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drscholz@visioncenterpc.com"; targe=
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits<br>
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I am using the John Deere grease and it doesn&#39;t leak anymore but there =
is a trace amount of seepage.=C2=A0 I did not rebuild the box and seals.
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&gt; On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Al Malin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amalin@mac.=
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&gt; <br>
&gt; I?ve heard some people have used John Deere Corn Head grease in this a=
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ve heard.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUEwk_sYP6A8"; target=3D"_b=
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&gt; Al Malin<br>
&gt; Tricarb<br>
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&gt;&gt; On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Simon Lachlan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:si=
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&gt;&gt; Many thanks to one and all.<br>
&gt;&gt; a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I had misread the parts diagram. =
I knew something was a bit off, hence the query.<br>
&gt;&gt; b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Indeed, an apparently simple task=
 is a potential labour of Hercules and I?m very glad that I asked!<br>
&gt;&gt; c)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I shall fill the thing up w=
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From: Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_bl=
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] electric fan for 3000???<br>
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What&#39;s a rocker gear? <br>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] electric fan for 3000??? <br>
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Randy, <br>
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first of all I would recommend to search for the reason, why your BJ7 is ge=
tting a lot more hot recently.
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<br>
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<br>
I had a similar problem with my 100 some years ago. After almost 10 years d=
riving around without any overheating, even when being stuck in traffic jam=
 in Vienna with 30 deg C outside or driving up the Austrian mountains in su=
mmertime. The temperature gauge
 never showed anything more than 180 deg F (app 85 deg C). Maybe the louvre=
d bonnet did help too.
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<br>
<br>
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Then all of a sudden my 100 started with overheating problems, went that ho=
t, that the engine began to sputter and later quit working and only could b=
e restarted after cooling down. This happened in slow traffic and in the mo=
untains.
<br>
<br>
<br>
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I checked and fixed one thing after the other: carbs, ignition, radiator, h=
ead and exhaust gasket, water pump, thermostat, ... I even exchanged the co=
mplete exhaust system just to be sure that there is no problem coming from =
this point.
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<br>
<br>
<br>
Throughout all this my mechanic always told me to install an electric fan a=
nd all problems would be gone. The only concession I made is a six blade fa=
n, which did help a little, but did not cure the problem.
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<br>
<br>
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During one last drive I heard some noise and we found out that it came from=
 a main bearing which destroyed the crankshaft. And while the engine is out=
 he could search for the real cause for the overheating and found out that =
it came from the rocker gear.
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Conclusion: <br>
<br>
Starting with no problems and then from one point having a lot of difficult=
ies made me oppose to install an electric fan and rather search for the rea=
l cause. My experience is that in the climate zone I live in my 100 should =
run without, except if you race
 your car. <br>
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<br>
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Good luck <br>
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<br>
Reinhart <br>
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits<br>
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Loosen the bolts on the front of the steering box. The goop will drip out.<=
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From: &quot;rrengineer.mike&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att=
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To: Earl Kagna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kags@shaw.ca"; target=3D"_blank">kags@s=
haw.ca</a>&gt;, Healey List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; t=
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits<br>
ail.android.com" target=3D"_blank">da6j55fxari8bkfkjxpy5m5q.<wbr>1470371347=
322@email.android.<wbr>com</a>&gt;<br>
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How would you go about purging the old oil/Grease to replace it with the Jo=
hn Deere stuff? ?<br>
Mike MacLeanSan Bernardino (where it is 106 degrees plus on some summer day=
s here)<br>
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Steve Gerow<br>
Altadena, CA<br>
Maker of most complete rear disc kit<br>
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