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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:30:52 +0000 (UTC)
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The break-in procedures for air-cooled motorcycles is very similar to that for 
(air-cooled) aircraft piston engines. Because the clearances are greater in 
air-cooled engines--to allow for greater and varying metals expansion 
rates--the emphasis is on bedding-in the rings (although these engines also 
have flat-tapped, OHV valve trains). That should be somewhat less of a 
concern--but still a concern--in our water cooled engines, where cam/tappet 
break-in appears to be critical. 

A point not mentioned in the motorcycle procedure is that breaking in an engine 
at high altitude might be problematic, since you won't get the same BMEP at, 
say, 5,000 feet that you would at sea level (non-turboed and non-supercharged 
engines, of course). For an aircraft engine you are advised to run at 1) low 
altitude, 2) full power (WOT or close to it) and 3) full rich for the first few 
hours (up to 50). The rich mixture is to used to wash oil off the cylinder 
walls to promote break-in and prevent oil glazing (I've heard of desperate 
airplane owners--who may have spent $50K or more on an engine rebuild--dumping 
Bon Ami into cylinders in the hope it will break the glaze). Since an SU carb's 
mixture can be set across the RPM range it might be a good idea to run them 
extra rich for the first 500 miles or so. 

Bob 



I always drove gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and speed, changed oil, 
then continued to drive and change oil again at 500 miles. Varying speed and 
RPM. Not sure why we did this, something about seating the piston rings. 
Clearly many ways to run in a new engine 

Ira Erbs 
Portland,OR 
_______ _______ 
(______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______) 
(_________________________) 
BT7 engine and disk brakes 

Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Michael MacLean < rrengineer.mike@att.net > 
wrote: 



A friend who recently past away in January that had been rebuilding Healey 
motors for over forty years told me he just gets them started and idles them 
for a while and then runs them gently for a 100 miles or so, changes the oil 
and then it's your choice how careful of a break in you want to do. He said he 
never had a problem with them or the cams during break in. Go figure. I also 
have an article that says as soon as you get the motor started, run it at high 
rpm to seat the rings properly. They are talking about a motorcycle, so I am 
not sure if applies in our case, but an interesting read. 
New Engine Break-in Procedure 

        
        
        
        
        
        

New Engine Break-in Procedure 
When a cylinder is new or overhauled the surface of it's walls are honed with 
abrasive stones to produce a rough surface that will help wear the piston rings 
... 



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Mike MacLean 









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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">The break-in procedures for air-cooled=
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es. &nbsp;Because the clearances are greater in air-cooled engines--to allo=
w for greater and varying metals expansion rates--the emphasis is on beddin=
g-in the rings (although these engines also have flat-tapped, OHV valve tra=
ins). &nbsp;That should be somewhat less of a concern--but still a concern-=
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cal. &nbsp;</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=
=3D"Compose body">A point not mentioned in the motorcycle procedure is that=
 breaking in an engine at high altitude might be problematic, since you won=
't get the same BMEP at, say, 5,000 feet that you would at sea level (non-t=
urboed and non-supercharged engines, of course). &nbsp;For an aircraft engi=
ne you are advised to run at 1) low altitude, 2) full power (WOT or close t=
o it) and 3) full rich for the first few hours (up to 50). &nbsp;The rich m=
ixture is to used to wash oil off the cylinder walls to promote break-in an=
d prevent oil glazing (I've heard of desperate airplane owners--who may hav=
e spent $50K or more on an engine rebuild--dumping Bon Ami into cylinders i=
n the hope it will break the glaze). &nbsp;Since an SU carb's mixture can b=
e set across the RPM range it might be a good idea to run them extra rich f=
or the first 500 miles or so.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></d=
iv><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Bob</div><div><br></div><div style=3D"c=
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v dir=3D"ltr">I always drove gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and s=
peed, changed oil, then continued to drive and change oil again at 500 mile=
s. Varying speed and RPM. Not sure why we did this, something about seating=
 the piston &nbsp;rings.&nbsp;<div>Clearly many ways to run in a new engine=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font=
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; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (_________________________)</span></div><div>&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br>=
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