Jonas
Filled up with premium in Kingman AZ yesterday, and the pump indicated fuel
?may contain up to 10% ethanol?. I?m thinking some stations in AZ have changed
to ethanol ?filler?.
I appreciated Rob?s link to stations w/o ethanol. Will keep an eye on these
links on our way home from our (Healeyless) road trip.
Bob England
> On May 30, 2018, at 10:25 AM, <jpaynepbr at cox.net> <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> I make and have made a weekly trip from Las Vegas, NV to Kingman AZ for 5
> years and running in a variety of vehicles (2 different Ford Expeditions,
> Chevy SS, Toyota Tacoma pickup, Triumph TR6, Dodge Magnum Wagon) racking up
> somewhere over 150k miles on this trip alone.
>
> NV uses CA's ethanol fuel at 10 to 15 percent. AZ does not have any ethanol.
>
> I fill up here for the trip out, and I fill up there for the trip home. I
> see a difference of between 10 and almost 20 percent in fuel economy, without
> fail, it is not a negligible difference.
>
> In addition to being less efficient, the Ethanol fuel is more expensive.
>
> What a boondoggle.
>
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting Services, LLC
> 702.882.6711
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Kees Oudesluijs
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:40 AM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>
> The better mileage on pure petrol is only theoretical. In practice you will
> not notice at all. Ethanol has a lower energy content so you would require
> more ethanol than petrol for a given amount of energy. However there is only
> 5% maximum in petrol unless stated otherwise in Europe and a small bit of 5%
> is negligible and well within the tolerance of the accuracy of the
> measurement. I very much doubt if one can register an increase of 1% in
> mileage. There are so many other factors influencing mileage.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 30-5-2018 om 12:55 schreef simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com:
>> The Ethanol rules are different here in the UK. Probably dreamed up by some
>> booby in Brussels, passed into law and we're the only country enforcing it.
>> As to the practicalities.......I'm not sure about my current setup (Webers)
>> but previously (3 HD6s), I was pretty sure that I got more mileage for my
>> money on high(er) octane. More bangs for my buck/better value for
>> money..whatever.
>> Simon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Haskell
>> Sent: 30 May 2018 11:00
>> To: John Rowe <john at jtkarowe.com.au>
>> Cc: 'Healey List' <healeys at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>
>> One can still buy non-ethanol fuel at the pump here in the States;
>> Countrymark is one company that sells premium with zero ethanol. One can't
>> always tell if there's ethanol in the gasoline by looking at the pump.
>> Apparently, it's up to the individual state to decide if a label on the pump
>> is required. I don't think that it's required in Indiana.
>>
>> A couple of reasons for ethanol: reduces amount of oil used/imported and
>> another market for corn. Not sure I agree with using a foodstuff, but
>> that's what's been done.
>>
>> The other issue I've wondered about, but haven't looked into, is the price
>> differential between grades of gasoline. For years the mid grade was 10
>> cents a gallon more than regular and premium was another 10 cents. In the
>> last couple of years it's changed to 25 to 30 cents between grades.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
>> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
>>
>>> On 05/29/2018 10:04 PM, John Rowe wrote:
>>> OK, thanks Mike. We have it in Oz, and the greenies here are trying
>>> to make it mandatory I believe. We can buy 91/95/98 unleaded at the pump.
>>> For 98 we pay about $1.70/litre.
>>>
>>> At 2c/litre discount for E10 from 91 octane (which won?t run
>>> Healeys), why would you bother buying it due to the decreased mpg.
>>>
>>> John Rowe Qld Australia
>>>
>>> *From:*Michael MacLean [mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:26 AM
>>> *To:* john at jtkarowe.com.au; tld6008 at mchsi.com
>>> *Cc:* 'Healey List'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>>
>>> Fuel at the pump is 10% ethanol by law. Right now gasoline is going
>>> for an average of $3.75 to $4 US per gallon. If you want fuel
>>> without ethanol you can buy high octane racing gas, but it's $10 per
>>> gallon and it is supposed to be illegal in street vehicles.
>>>
>>> Mike M
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>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 4:43 PM, John Rowe
>>>
>>> <john at jtkarowe.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> As an Australian, I ask ?why do you use ethanol in these vehicles??,
>>> or don?t you have a say as to what you use in your countries.
>>>
>>> John Rowe
>>>
>>> Qld Australia
>>>
>>> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Michael MacLean
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 5:55 AM
>>> *To:* tld6008 at mchsi.com
>>> *Cc:* Healey List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>>
>>> Don't do it. It will fill with gas in about two years and you will
>>> be doing this again. All you have to do is buy a brass float and
>>> swap it out for the plastic one and sleep well at night. It just
>>> snaps right in. The brass float is a Ford part no. COAZ-9202-B. You
>>> can find them on eBay, Amazon, Summit Racing and even the Ford
>>> dealer. Ethanol does not eat brass.
>>>
>>> Mike M.
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>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Tim Davis BN7
>>>
>>> <tld6008 at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had the powdery residue all over mine. I just bought a new one
>>> from Moss it has a plastic float. Hopefully it will hold up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Davis BN7
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
>>> To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tue, 29 May 2018 11:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Subject: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>>>
>>> This past weekend I removed the tank to extract the sending unit
>>> on my Bugeye because of a constant reading of empty on the
>>> gauge. As suspected, the plastic float was filled with
>>> gasoline. Ethanol! While replacing the plastic float for brass
>>> and the cork gaskets for Viton type gaskets, I also swapped out
>>> the sending unit top cover cork gasket with a Viton type using
>>> Hylomar AF to seal things up. The big surprise came when I
>>> found the rheostat cavity full of gasoline. Must have entered
>>> through the hole in the sending unit body for the float lever.
>>> Anyone have experience with this? Should I be concerned? I
>>> remember the original sending unit I removed form the Bugeye
>>> tank was full of a white powdery residue around the rheostat
>>> like it had also been filled with gasoline. Anyone have
>>> experience with this?
>>>
>>> Mike MacLean
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