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Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes

To: "Peter & Veronica" <greylinn@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes
From: Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:57:49 +0800
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
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Definitely something to do with the Dizzy if you ask me - weights / springs
/ vacuum advance.

Have you run a timing light on it and see what the advance says ad
different RPMs?  You can mark TDC on the pully with a marker and see what
happens when you run up the revs.  If it advances steadily as you speed up
the motor, then it might be the carbs but I still think it's the dizzy.

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 9:48 AM Peter & Veronica <greylinn@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

> ....I=E2=80=99d be looking at the needle profiles. A Gunson Colortune is =
a great
> help as it allows you to see the combustion across the rev  range. I foun=
d
> the correct needle for the HD6 on my Shorrock blower (MG TC) that way.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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>
>
> *From: *Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Sent: *Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:09 AM
> *To: *i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>; Steven Kingsbury
> <airtightproductions@icloud.com>
> *Cc: *Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes
>
>
>
> Steven
>
> Our BN2 has =E2=80=9CM=E2=80=9D mods using a different cam grind then the=
 factory M grind
> (Delta Cams) and 10:1 compression. The stock head compression chamber was
> cleaned up a bit and the ports slightly smoothed. I had to find the right
> carb needles to make the rev range smoother and to provide consistent
> performance. Took a bit of trail and error. Also had to play with the
> static timing but did not have to re curve the distributor. I run a few
> more degrees than stock but that has a lot to due with the cam grind.
> Suspect that if the spark plugs fire at 0 RPM to 2500 and from 3200 up, i=
ts
> probably not a plug or distributor problem. The variable is the control o=
f
> fuel and the mentioned potential problem areas (needles, damper springs a=
nd
> oil in the pots) have a lot to due with controlling the mixture.
>
> Perry
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
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>
> *From: *i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:26 PM
> *To: *Steven Kingsbury <airtightproductions@icloud.com>
> *Cc: *Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes
>
>
>
> Distributor advance or vaccum leak issues.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 2:04 PM Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> To start off, my car, an early BN1, #598 was burned up in the Paradise
> fire and I just bought another BN1 to replace it. The new car has been ho=
t
> rodded up a bit. Cam, bigger carbs and different pistons so it has a way
> different compression ratio and has been in this configuration for over t=
en
> years I believe. Was told it runs like the wind and came from a reliable
> and trust worthy person. Well I'm having problems with the car. Up to 250=
0
> RPM, it runs great! When I can get it up to 3200 RPM it runs great again,
> it's the 2500 to 3200 range where I'm having problems.
>
>    It feels like it's starving for fuel, or it has too much fuel, it
> hesitates, feels like it's not running on all cylinders, and generally li=
ke
> a bucking bronco, but then at 3200 or so, she smooths right out and flies=
!
>
>    I was told the carbs were set up a little rich. I leaned them out one
> flat at a time and no difference until they got too lean and wouldn't run
> well at all. So I took them back to original setting positions.
>
>    I've checked all gaps, they're all right. Pulled plugs when getting
> home and they are all fine, a little brown and all even looking. New
> condenser, new coil, changed to new plugs, I have not checked the timing
> yet, but with the way it runs below 2500 and above 3000, it seems to be
> just fine.
>
>    I am getting the car up in the air Monday as I have new tires to
> replace the old ones and will do a static timing check at that time. My o=
ld
> four cylinder was a breeze to set up and ran smooth through all revs. Wha=
t
> am I missing with an engine set up like an M? Why would things go south
> between 2500 and 3000 and run fine below and above?
>
>    All suggestions are welcome and I do have a new fuel pump on order, so
> fire away. I've been doing things one step at a time to not introduce new
> problems, but this is the only problem that is consistent.
>
>    Thanks,
>
> Steven Kingsbury
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Definitely something to do with the Dizzy if you ask me - =
weights / springs / vacuum advance.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><br>Have you run a timin=
g light on it and see what the advance says ad different RPMs?=C2=A0 You ca=
n mark TDC on the pully with a marker and see what happens when you run up =
the revs.=C2=A0 If it advances steadily as you speed up the motor, then it =
might be the carbs but I still think it&#39;s the dizzy.</div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 11, 201=
9 at 9:48 AM Peter &amp; Veronica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:greylinn@ozemail.co=
m.au">greylinn@ozemail.com.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-AU"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-785=
6084927221746017WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">....I=E2=80=99d be loo=
king at the needle profiles. A Gunson Colortune is a great help as it allow=
s you to see the combustion across the rev=C2=A0 range. I found the correct=
 needle for the HD6 on my Shorrock blower (MG TC) that way.</p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Peter</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent fro=
m <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"; target=3D"_b=
lank">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;bo=
rder-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:heale=
ys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Perry via Healeys</a><br><b>Sent: </b>=
Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:09 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">i erbs</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:airtightproductio=
ns@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">Steven Kingsbury</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Ahealey help</a><br><b=
>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Ste=
ven<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Our=
 BN2 has =E2=80=9CM=E2=80=9D mods using a different cam grind then the fact=
ory M grind (Delta Cams) and 10:1 compression. The stock head compression c=
hamber was cleaned up a bit and the ports slightly smoothed. I had to find =
the right carb needles to make the rev range smoother and to provide consis=
tent performance. Took a bit of trail and error. Also had to play with the =
static timing but did not have to re curve the distributor. I run a few mor=
e degrees than stock but that has a lot to due with the cam grind.=C2=A0 Su=
spect that if the spark plugs fire at 0 RPM to 2500 and from 3200 up, its p=
robably not a plug or distributor problem. The variable is the control of f=
uel and the mentioned potential problem areas (needles, damper springs and =
oil in the pots) have a lot to due with controlling the mixture. <u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Perry<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sent from <a href=
=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"; target=3D"_blank">Mai=
l</a> for Windows 10<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border-right:non=
e;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225)=
;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From: =
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">i erbs</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:26 PM<=
br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:airtightproductions@icloud.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">Steven Kingsbury</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">Ahealey help</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys=
] Four cylinder woes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Distributor advance o=
r vaccum leak issues.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts a=
re the fault of my phone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 2:04 PM Steve=
n Kingsbury via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:=
none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:=
5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.=
8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">To start off, my car, an early BN1, #598 was burn=
ed up in the Paradise fire and I just bought another BN1 to replace it. The=
 new car has been hot rodded up a bit. Cam, bigger carbs and different pist=
ons so it has a way different compression ratio and has been in this config=
uration for over ten years I believe. Was told it runs like the wind and ca=
me from a reliable and trust worthy person. Well I&#39;m having problems wi=
th the car. Up to 2500 RPM, it runs great! When I can get it up to 3200 RPM=
 it runs great again, it&#39;s the 2500 to 3200 range where I&#39;m having =
problems.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0It feels like=
 it&#39;s starving for fuel, or it has too much fuel, it hesitates, feels l=
ike it&#39;s not running on all cylinders, and generally like a bucking bro=
nco, but then at 3200 or so, she smooths right out and flies!<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I was told the carbs were set up a lit=
tle rich. I leaned them out one flat at a time and no difference until they=
 got too lean and wouldn&#39;t run well at all. So I took them back to orig=
inal setting positions.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0I&#39;ve checked all gaps, they&#39;re all right. Pulled plugs whe=
n getting home and they are all fine, a little brown and all even looking. =
New condenser, new coil, changed to new plugs, I have not checked the timin=
g yet, but with the way it runs below 2500 and above 3000, it seems to be j=
ust fine.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I am getting =
the car up in the air Monday as I have new tires to replace the old ones an=
d will do a static timing check at that time. My old four cylinder was a br=
eeze to set up and ran smooth through all revs. What am I missing with an e=
ngine set up like an M? Why would things go south between 2500 and 3000 and=
 run fine below and above?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0All suggestions are welcome and I do have a new fuel pump on order, so f=
ire away. I&#39;ve been doing things one step at a time to not introduce ne=
w problems, but this is the only problem that is consistent.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>Steven Kingsbury<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
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