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Re: [Spridgets] Brake Bleed From Hell Yesterday!

To: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brake Bleed From Hell Yesterday!
From: JMFangio via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:51:41 -0500
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First, using your =E2=80=9Coh so shitty=E2=80=99 Mityvac, you did put =
some grease around the nipple being bled right?  It=E2=80=99s important =
as air will come in through the threads.  In fact air coming in is most =
likely from there or from the master if you ran out of fluid.  I =
haven=E2=80=99t had much luck with Mityvacs either FWIW.

Second, yup, put the drum on and roll away.

Third, just to be sure, the adjuster on the wheel you are putting back =
on needs to be all the way in, second getting the shoes aligned =
perfectly to get the drum back on takes a little fiddling, if there is =
rust on the edge of the drum (where it first contacts the shoes going on =
) that won=E2=80=99t help things.

Lastly, the wheel cylinders are inexpensive, get new ones.

Lester


> On Jun 28, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets =
<spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> List,
> I'm waiting for all new parts from Gerard so that is the good news, =
yes just be patient Linda. Below starts my bad news of not being =
successful which seems to be my biggest problem being "defeated" when =
working on any car project especially a Spridget.
>=20
> While I'm waiting for my parts to be built from Gerard I wanted to get =
my Spridget out of the driveway so I can get the VW bus out of the =
garage and in turn get my motorcycle out to ride with my older brother =
as he will be leaving in 8 days for his cross country Harley Davidson =
trip to our family in California. Below is my hell with brake bleeding.
>=20
> I decided to continue bleeding with the "oh so shitty" Mityvac bleeder =
device as the brakes were hard but went to the floor after holding for =
longer periods of time. I cleaned the drums and all the rear parts with =
Brakcleen and was very happy with the results (I should be grateful for =
that), I kept getting air coming from the bleeder and hose to the =
Mityvac container which was sucking air and no clamp could control it on =
the drivers rear wheel cylinder but at least it was clear. Then I went =
to the passengers side rear, some air although not as much, then off to =
the passenger front caliper (yes upgraded disc's when I got Pinky in =
2006) and it seemed nice and air free then to the drivers front caliper. =
When I was done with the messy job with continuous filling of the MC I =
still didn't have a firm peddle and somewhat less firm that before I =
started, (yes don't fix what is not broken).=20
>=20
> I went to the store got new hose 1/4" clear as I suspected my hose =
would not keep a seal to the container or the brake nipple. I decided to =
bleed the way I was successful with the VW bus, a tube in a jar of fluid =
push peddle hold peddle with a 3/4" dowel and then shut off the nipple. =
It was a sloppy nightmare as I saw fluid trickle from the drivers wheel =
cylinder which now I know was bad too so that I should be grateful for. =
I was unable to get the massive amounts of air out of the line now and =
have a very squishy peddle.
>=20
> I cleaned everything up after returning to using the stupid Mityvac =
again and now I can't get the drum on the shitty drivers rear wheel as =
the pads aren't lining up to get the drum on it. Note: I had to use a =
wheel puller to remove the drum (with now leaky cylinder) in the first =
place. After tapping with my lead hammer on the ads to get some kind of =
alignment to get the drum on the spring popped out (long spring has a =
spring coil on ether side and length of of rod separating both half's). =
I got so fed up last night I just cleaned up and hope for some advice.
>=20
> Questions:=20
> 1. Can I remove the drum pads from the shitty wheel and put the drum =
back on then the rear wheel so I can push the car without breaking =
anything? I'll assume yes.=20
>=20
> 2. Can I assume the only way I can get the car to move to the street =
under it own power and brakes is to try and buy a rear wheel cylinder =
locally fast to replace the leaker as a temporary fix while waiting for =
the good parts from Gerard then I can get my LBC into the garage and =
work through the night when the parts arrive, and get that bike out too.
>=20
> 3. Was I supposed to leave the master cylinder cap off when bleeding =
or put it back on during the bleeding procedure?
>=20
> Thanks guys for all your continued support I really want to succeed =
with this on my own and most importantly understand my LBC.
> Linda
> 62 California Sprite w/front discs "Pinky"
>=20
>=20
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">First, using your =E2=80=9Coh so shitty=E2=80=99 Mityvac, you =
did put some grease around the nipple being bled right? &nbsp;It=E2=80=99s=
 important as air will come in through the threads. &nbsp;In fact air =
coming in is most likely from there or from the master if you ran out of =
fluid. &nbsp;I haven=E2=80=99t had much luck with Mityvacs either =
FWIW.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Second, yup, =
put the drum on and roll away.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Third, just to be sure, the adjuster on =
the wheel you are putting back on needs to be all the way in, second =
getting the shoes aligned perfectly to get the drum back on takes a =
little fiddling, if there is rust on the edge of the drum (where it =
first contacts the shoes going on ) that won=E2=80=99t help things.<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Lastly, the =
wheel cylinders are inexpensive, get new ones.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Lester</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun =
28, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">List,<div class=3D"">I'm waiting for all new parts from =
Gerard so that is the good news, yes just be patient Linda. Below starts =
my bad news of not being successful which seems to be my biggest problem =
being "defeated" when working on any car project especially a =
Spridget.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">While =
I'm waiting for my parts to be built from Gerard I wanted to get my =
Spridget out of the driveway so I can get the VW bus out of the garage =
and in turn get my motorcycle out to ride with my older brother as he =
will be leaving in 8 days for his cross country Harley Davidson trip to =
our family in California. Below is my hell with brake =
bleeding.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
decided to continue bleeding with the "oh so shitty" Mityvac bleeder =
device as the brakes were hard but went to the floor after holding for =
longer periods of time. I cleaned the drums and all the rear parts with =
Brakcleen and was very happy with the results (I should be grateful for =
that), I kept getting air coming from the bleeder and hose to the =
Mityvac container which was sucking air and no clamp could control it on =
the drivers rear wheel cylinder but at least it was clear. Then I went =
to the passengers side rear, some air although not as much, then off to =
the passenger front caliper (yes upgraded disc's when I got Pinky in =
2006) and it seemed nice and air free then to the drivers front caliper. =
When I was done with the messy job with continuous filling of the MC I =
still didn't have a firm peddle and somewhat less firm that before I =
started, (yes don't fix what is not broken).&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I went to the store got =
new hose 1/4" clear as I suspected my hose would not keep a seal to the =
container or the brake nipple. I decided to bleed the way I was =
successful with the VW bus, a tube in a jar of fluid push peddle hold =
peddle with a 3/4" dowel and then shut off the nipple. It was a sloppy =
nightmare as I saw fluid trickle from the drivers wheel cylinder which =
now I know was bad too so that I should be grateful for. I was unable to =
get the massive amounts of air out of the line now and have a very =
squishy peddle.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I cleaned everything up after returning to using the stupid =
Mityvac again and now I can't get the drum on the shitty drivers rear =
wheel as the pads aren't lining up to get the drum on it. Note: I had to =
use a wheel puller to remove the drum (with now leaky cylinder) in the =
first place. After tapping with my lead hammer on the ads to get some =
kind of alignment to get the drum on the spring popped out (long spring =
has a spring coil on ether side and length of of rod separating both =
half's). I got so fed up last night I just cleaned up and hope for some =
advice.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Questions:&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">1. Can I remove the =
drum pads from the shitty wheel and put the drum back on then the rear =
wheel so I can push the car without breaking anything? I'll assume =
yes.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">2. =
Can I assume the only way I can get the car to move to the street under =
it own power and brakes is to try and buy a rear wheel cylinder locally =
fast to replace the leaker as a temporary fix while waiting for the good =
parts from Gerard then I can get my LBC into the garage and work through =
the night when the parts arrive, and get that bike out too.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">3. Was I supposed to =
leave the master cylinder cap off when bleeding or put it back on during =
the bleeding procedure?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Thanks guys for all your continued support I really want to =
succeed with this on my own and most importantly understand my =
LBC.</div><div class=3D"">Linda</div><div class=3D"">62 California =
Sprite w/front discs "Pinky"</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>-- <br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:small" class=3D"">"Pay =
if forward" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Spritenut</span><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div>
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