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Re: [Spridgets] Brake Bleed From Hell Yesterday!

To: Linda Grunthaner <grunthaner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Brake Bleed From Hell Yesterday!
From: Mike Myers via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 10:27:28 -0400
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Lin,

If you press on the brake pedal with the shoes and springs missing that whee=
l cylinder will have no resistance and the piston may blow out past the seal=
. You may want to disconnect brake line from that cylinder and cap it off so=
 pressure will build up to the other wheels and give you some brakes to move=
 it around=20

Mike Myers

> On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> Yes, yes and yes, Lester, I tried everything on the hoses to the Mityvac p=
ump and I never let the MC go dry. With a new 1/4" hose to the vac it was be=
tter but too late too much air got in. Yes I turned the adjuster to clear th=
e pads as I do understand how to adjust that screw. Although when I get all m=
y new parts I'll require a list to learn that adjustment.
>=20
> Three new questions:
>=20
> 1. If I remove these drivers pads & the spring parts and put the drum back=
 on and wheel to roll her what could happen if I press the brake peddle will=
 I brake anything? Will the calipers up front and rear passengers pads stop t=
he car so I can use engine power to move it and not hurt my back?
>=20
> 2. How do I know what size this wheel cylinder is to buy another for tempo=
rary use till Gerard's parts arrive? Victoria British catalog lists several s=
izes as per engine size & I did not install these but I do have an upgraded 1=
275 and front disc brakes so I'm assuming they are for 1275 (see pics attach=
ed).=20
>=20
> 3. The front calipers are making the front wheels tight to rotate but with=
 wheels on I can rotate, do I unbolt the calipers to inspect as I recall doi=
ng this before with my Spitfire back in the day and I press the pads in to g=
et back on the disc.=20
>=20
> Again thanks for all your help Lester and to all the List,
> Linda
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 8:51 AM JMFangio <oldsaabguy@comcast.net> wrote:
>> First, using your =E2=80=9Coh so shitty=E2=80=99 Mityvac, you did put som=
e grease around the nipple being bled right?  It=E2=80=99s important as air w=
ill come in through the threads.  In fact air coming in is most likely from t=
here or from the master if you ran out of fluid.  I haven=E2=80=99t had much=
 luck with Mityvacs either FWIW.
>>=20
>> Second, yup, put the drum on and roll away.
>>=20
>> Third, just to be sure, the adjuster on the wheel you are putting back on=
 needs to be all the way in, second getting the shoes aligned perfectly to g=
et the drum back on takes a little fiddling, if there is rust on the edge of=
 the drum (where it first contacts the shoes going on ) that won=E2=80=99t h=
elp things.
>>=20
>> Lastly, the wheel cylinders are inexpensive, get new ones.
>>=20
>> Lester
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jun 28, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets <spridgets@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> List,
>>> I'm waiting for all new parts from Gerard so that is the good news, yes j=
ust be patient Linda. Below starts my bad news of not being successful which=
 seems to be my biggest problem being "defeated" when working on any car pro=
ject especially a Spridget.
>>>=20
>>> While I'm waiting for my parts to be built from Gerard I wanted to get m=
y Spridget out of the driveway so I can get the VW bus out of the garage and=
 in turn get my motorcycle out to ride with my older brother as he will be l=
eaving in 8 days for his cross country Harley Davidson trip to our family in=
 California. Below is my hell with brake bleeding.
>>>=20
>>> I decided to continue bleeding with the "oh so shitty" Mityvac bleeder d=
evice as the brakes were hard but went to the floor after holding for longer=
 periods of time. I cleaned the drums and all the rear parts with Brakcleen a=
nd was very happy with the results (I should be grateful for that), I kept g=
etting air coming from the bleeder and hose to the Mityvac container which w=
as sucking air and no clamp could control it on the drivers rear wheel cylin=
der but at least it was clear. Then I went to the passengers side rear, some=
 air although not as much, then off to the passenger front caliper (yes upgr=
aded disc's when I got Pinky in 2006) and it seemed nice and air free then t=
o the drivers front caliper. When I was done with the messy job with continu=
ous filling of the MC I still didn't have a firm peddle and somewhat less fi=
rm that before I started, (yes don't fix what is not broken).=20
>>>=20
>>> I went to the store got new hose 1/4" clear as I suspected my hose would=
 not keep a seal to the container or the brake nipple. I decided to bleed th=
e way I was successful with the VW bus, a tube in a jar of fluid push peddle=
 hold peddle with a 3/4" dowel and then shut off the nipple. It was a sloppy=
 nightmare as I saw fluid trickle from the drivers wheel cylinder which now I=
 know was bad too so that I should be grateful for. I was unable to get the m=
assive amounts of air out of the line now and have a very squishy peddle.
>>>=20
>>> I cleaned everything up after returning to using the stupid Mityvac agai=
n and now I can't get the drum on the shitty drivers rear wheel as the pads a=
ren't lining up to get the drum on it. Note: I had to use a wheel puller to r=
emove the drum (with now leaky cylinder) in the first place. After tapping w=
ith my lead hammer on the ads to get some kind of alignment to get the drum o=
n the spring popped out (long spring has a spring coil on ether side and len=
gth of of rod separating both half's). I got so fed up last night I just cle=
aned up and hope for some advice.
>>>=20
>>> Questions:=20
>>> 1. Can I remove the drum pads from the shitty wheel and put the drum bac=
k on then the rear wheel so I can push the car without breaking anything? I'=
ll assume yes.=20
>>>=20
>>> 2. Can I assume the only way I can get the car to move to the street und=
er it own power and brakes is to try and buy a rear wheel cylinder locally f=
ast to replace the leaker as a temporary fix while waiting for the good part=
s from Gerard then I can get my LBC into the garage and work through the nig=
ht when the parts arrive, and get that bike out too.
>>>=20
>>> 3. Was I supposed to leave the master cylinder cap off when bleeding or p=
ut it back on during the bleeding procedure?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks guys for all your continued support I really want to succeed with=
 this on my own and most importantly understand my LBC.
>>> Linda
>>> 62 California Sprite w/front discs "Pinky"
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Lin=
,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If you press on the brake=
 pedal with the shoes and springs missing that wheel cylinder will have no r=
esistance and the piston may blow out past the seal. You may want to disconn=
ect brake line from that cylinder and cap it off so pressure will build up t=
o the other wheels and give you some brakes to move it around&nbsp;</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike Myers</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r>On Jun 28, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, y=
es and yes, Lester, I tried everything on the hoses to the Mityvac pump and I=
 never let the MC go dry. With a new 1/4" hose to the vac it was better but t=
oo late too much air got in. Yes I turned the adjuster to clear the pads as I=
 do understand how to adjust that screw. Although when I get all my new part=
s I'll require a list to learn that adjustment.<div><br></div><div>Three new=
 questions:<div><br></div><div>1. If I remove these drivers pads &amp; the s=
pring parts and put the drum back on and wheel to roll her what could happen=
 if I press the brake peddle will I brake anything? Will the calipers up fro=
nt and rear passengers pads stop the car so I can use engine power to move i=
t and not hurt my back?</div><div><br></div><div>2. How do I know what size t=
his wheel cylinder is to buy another for temporary use till Gerard's parts a=
rrive? Victoria British catalog lists several sizes as per engine size &amp;=
 I did not install these but I do have an upgraded 1275 and front disc brake=
s so I'm assuming they are for 1275 (see pics attached).&nbsp;</div><div><br=
></div><div>3. The front calipers are making the front wheels tight to rotat=
e but with wheels on I can rotate, do I unbolt the calipers to inspect as I r=
ecall doing this before with my Spitfire back in the day and I press the pad=
s in to get back on the disc.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Again thanks fo=
r all your&nbsp;help Lester and to all the List,</div><div>Linda</div><div><=
br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 28, 2=
019 at 8:51 AM JMFangio &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:oldsaabguy@comcast.net";>oldsaa=
bguy@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:sol=
id;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-w=
rap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">First, using your =E2=80=9Coh s=
o shitty=E2=80=99 Mityvac, you did put some grease around the nipple being b=
led right?&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s important as air will come in through the thre=
ads.&nbsp; In fact air coming in is most likely from there or from the maste=
r if you ran out of fluid.&nbsp; I haven=E2=80=99t had much luck with Mityva=
cs either FWIW.<div><br></div><div>Second, yup, put the drum on and roll awa=
y.</div><div><br></div><div>Third, just to be sure, the adjuster on the whee=
l you are putting back on needs to be all the way in, second getting the sho=
es aligned perfectly to get the drum back on takes a little fiddling, if the=
re is rust on the edge of the drum (where it first contacts the shoes going o=
n ) that won=E2=80=99t help things.<br><div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, the w=
heel cylinders are inexpensive, get new ones.</div><div><br></div><div>Leste=
r</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 28, 201=
9, at 7:37 AM, Linda Grunthaner via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridget=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<=
/div><br class=3D"gmail-m_5877765253755109347Apple-interchange-newline"><div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">List,<div>I'm waiting for all new parts from Gerard so tha=
t is the good news, yes just be patient Linda. Below starts my bad news of n=
ot being successful which seems to be my biggest problem being "defeated" wh=
en working on any car project especially a Spridget.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>While I'm waiting for my parts to be built from Gerard I wanted to get my S=
pridget out of the driveway so I can get the VW bus out of the garage and in=
 turn get my motorcycle out to ride with my older brother as he will be leav=
ing in 8 days for his cross country Harley Davidson trip to our family in Ca=
lifornia. Below is my hell with brake bleeding.</div><div><br></div><div>I d=
ecided to continue bleeding with the "oh so shitty" Mityvac bleeder device a=
s the brakes were hard but went to the floor after holding for longer period=
s of time. I cleaned the drums and all the rear parts with Brakcleen and was=
 very happy with the results (I should be grateful for that), I kept getting=
 air coming from the bleeder and hose to the Mityvac container which was suc=
king air and no clamp could control it on the drivers rear wheel cylinder bu=
t at least it was clear. Then I went to the passengers side rear, some air a=
lthough not as much, then off to the passenger front caliper (yes upgraded d=
isc's when I got Pinky in 2006) and it seemed nice and air free then to the d=
rivers front caliper. When I was done with the messy job with continuous fil=
ling of the MC I still didn't have a firm peddle and somewhat less firm that=
 before I started, (yes don't fix what is not broken).&nbsp;</div><div><br><=
/div><div>I went to the store got new hose 1/4" clear as I suspected my hose=
 would not keep a seal to the container or the brake nipple. I decided to bl=
eed the way I was successful with the VW bus, a tube in a jar of fluid push p=
eddle hold peddle with a 3/4" dowel and then shut off the nipple. It was a s=
loppy nightmare as I saw fluid trickle from the drivers wheel cylinder which=
 now I know was bad too so that I should be grateful for. I was unable to ge=
t the massive amounts of air out of the line now and have a very squishy ped=
dle.</div><div><br></div><div>I cleaned everything up after returning to usi=
ng the stupid Mityvac again and now I can't get the drum on the shitty drive=
rs rear wheel as the pads aren't lining up to get the drum on it. Note: I ha=
d to use a wheel puller to remove the drum (with now leaky cylinder) in the f=
irst place. After tapping with my lead hammer on the ads to get some kind of=
 alignment to get the drum on the spring popped out (long spring has a sprin=
g coil on ether side and length of of rod separating both half's). I got so f=
ed up last night I just cleaned up and hope for some advice.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Questions:&nbsp;</div><div>1. Can I remove the drum pads from the s=
hitty wheel and put the drum back on then the rear wheel so I can push the c=
ar without breaking anything? I'll assume yes.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><di=
v>2. Can I assume the only way I can get the car to move to the street under=
 it own power and brakes is to try and buy a rear wheel cylinder locally fas=
t to replace the leaker as a temporary fix while waiting for the good parts f=
rom Gerard then I can get my LBC into the garage and work through the night w=
hen the parts arrive, and get that bike out too.</div><div><br></div><div>3.=
 Was I supposed to leave the master cylinder cap off when bleeding or put it=
 back on during the bleeding procedure?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks guys=
 for all your continued support I really want to succeed with this on my own=
 and most importantly understand my LBC.</div><div>Linda</div><div>62 Califo=
rnia Sprite w/front discs "Pinky"</div><div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"=
><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail-m_5877765253755109347=
gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:small">"Pay if fo=
rward" in honor of Frank Clarici III, Spritenut</span><br></div></div></div>=
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