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Re: [TR] [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild

To: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild
From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 09:13:54 -0500
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>, "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>
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Have rebuilt many M/C, TR and others, always just use brake fluid as lubrica=
nt and bench bleed before installation.  =20
Bill B
TS30800L

Serenity Now......

On May 17, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFHi Richard,
        I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a compl=
ete rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6.  As I recall it w=
orked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling out of the garage a=
nd the brakes totally failed.  The TR6 rolled int my P/U truck dented the do=
or, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very expensive afternoon. I se=
nt the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time to kill while the body shop f=
ixed the TR6.  They rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I reinstalled it.  Afte=
r about 8 months the m/c started to fail again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replac=
ed it with a new Girling and it has gone several seasons working fine but no=
w I=E2=80=99m getting the slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I am=
 going to replace the seals myself.
          Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt componen=
ts including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers,  I=E2=80=99ll n=
ever send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
        Best,
        Bob

> On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>=20
> Hello Bob, et al.,
>=20
>    Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing the stay-at-h=
ome order and the older people (like me) are beginning to venture out, if st=
ill maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem to think an All Clear=
 has been sounded and they're back face to face. I wish them luck.
>=20
>    I have had two, fresh from the box,  M/Cs fail then a third, working fi=
ne. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor since they are al=
ways quite willing to make things right, but their name does grow on the 'no=
rth side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask i=
s: How did your M/Cs fail?
>    In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake circu=
it worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear brake cir=
cuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid through either=
 circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works great today!
>=20
>    Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in China=
 just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C "=
fail catastrophically?"
>=20
> -rick
>=20
> On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack <6pack@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:
>> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of quaran=
tine.  It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay at home or=
der will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some business s=
lowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>>         I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In th=
e past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only t=
o have them catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  I=E2=80=99m fi=
guring that I can improve on that record.  When I went to the Buckeye Triump=
h site to review the rebuild process the article recommended red grease.  I d=
on=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the a=
bsence of red brake grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do t=
he rebuild or should i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About t=
he only red grease I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.=
00 plus $8.00 shipping.=20
>>         Any advice would be appreciated.=20
>>         Best,
>>         Bob=20
>>         =E2=80=9972 TR6
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Have rebuilt many M/C, TR and others, alway=
s just use brake fluid as lubricant and bench bleed before installation. &nb=
sp;&nbsp;<div><div>Bill B</div><div>TS30800L<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Serenit=
y Now......</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 17, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Robert Ro=
chlin &lt;rrochlin@comcast.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">=
Hi Richard,<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-spa=
ce:pre">        </span>I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuil=
der for a complete rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6. &n=
bsp;As I recall it worked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling=
 out of the garage and the brakes totally failed. &nbsp;The TR6 rolled int m=
y P/U truck dented the door, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very e=
xpensive afternoon. I sent the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time to ki=
ll while the body shop fixed the TR6. &nbsp;They rebuilt the m/c again grati=
s and I reinstalled it. &nbsp;After about 8 months the m/c started to fail a=
gain, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it with a new Girling and it has gone s=
everal seasons working fine but now I=E2=80=99m getting the slow sinking ped=
al. Before replacing it again I am going to replace the seals myself.</div><=
div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">=
        </span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several 
rebuilt=
 components including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers, &nbsp=
;I=E2=80=99ll never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.</div><div c=
lass=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">     </s=
pan>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white=
-space:pre">    </span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard L=
indsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; class=3D"">richardol=
indsay@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"=
><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hello Bob, <i c=
lass=3D"">et al.</i>,</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div d=
ir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we=
 too are relaxing the stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are b=
eginning to venture out, if still maintaining safe separation. The 'younglin=
gs' seem to think an <i class=3D"">All Clear</i> has been sounded and they'r=
e back face to face. I wish them luck.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;I have had two, f=
resh from the box,&nbsp; M/Cs fail then a third, working fine. I don't wish t=
o directly name and disparage the vendor since they are always quite willing=
 to make things right, but their name does grow on the 'north side of the tr=
ee'. The question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask is: How did your M=
/Cs fail?</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;In one of my unit's=
 failures, fresh from the box, the front brake circuit worked fine (that's t=
he one closer to the booster) but the rear brake circuit would flow no fluid=
. The second unit would flow no fluid through either circuit! The third M/C w=
orked perfectly and still works great today!</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Did I get t=
wo poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in China just make mista=
kes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C "fail catastroph=
ically?"</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>-rick</div><=
div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D=
"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM R=
obert Rochlin via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; class=3D=
"">6pack@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex">I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time=
 of quarantine.&nbsp; It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the s=
tay at home order will be&nbsp; completely lifted for several of more weeks,=
 but some business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.<br class=
=3D"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with master=
 cylinders. In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable=
 rebuilders only to have them catastrophically fail soon after reinstallatio=
n.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that record.&nbsp; When I=
 went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process the article r=
ecommended red grease.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have Volvo s=
ilicone breaks grease.&nbsp; In the absence of red brake grease can I just a=
pply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i bite the bullet a=
nd get the red brake grease.&nbsp; About the only red grease I could fine wa=
s on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 shipping. <br class=3D=
"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Any advice would be appreciated. <br class=3D"">=

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Best,<br class=3D"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bob <br class=3D"">
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