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1. Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Editorgary@aol.com; Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:59:28 EDT; Actually, if you expand the equation, you may get a different answer. How much pollution is created, energy and resources used in the manufacture of the new car that is going to replace the obsolete; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00274.html (8,715 bytes)
2. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>; Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:08:08 -0700; That's a very good point, but it really only applies if your older car is your ONLY car (for example, I have two cars, both 1967 or older). If, like most people, your old LBC is a second (or third) c; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00277.html (10,083 bytes)
3. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Dan DiBiase <d_dibiase@yahoo.com>; Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT); A good and subtle point, Gary. Similar to the also-subtle point about electric cars - where does the energy to generate all that electricity for recharging come from?! Thankfully, it appears that que; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00279.html (8,942 bytes)
4. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Paul M." <rowman22001@yahoo.com>; Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT); Very, very good point. But my gut feeling is that hybrids are definitely a step in the right direction, and it's encouraging to see that Toyota can't build the Prius fast enough to meet demand. They; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00282.html (9,409 bytes)
5. RE: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Stephen West-Fisher" <steve@coastaldatasystems.com>; Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:47:26 -0400; My problem with the hybrids is that they don't seem all that much more efficient than, say, a Jetta GTI, with real fuel mileage in the 50mpg range. I also remember that a long time ago ('80s perhaps); /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00288.html (9,404 bytes)
6. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: MGBnutt@aol.com; Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:31:01 EDT; Yes! I've been using the same "life cycle" analysis as an excuse (for 42 years now) to never throw anything away! Buried in North Jersey, Donny V 78 MGB Cheers, Max; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00289.html (8,349 bytes)
7. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: David Breneman <david_breneman@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:59:08 -0700 (PDT); I'm just wondering how many of these Prii :-) and other vehicles are going to show up very cheap on the used market when battery replacement time comes around. And what landfill are all those batteri; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00290.html (8,945 bytes)
8. RE: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Paul M." <rowman22001@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:43:29 -0700 (PDT); Really? The EPA rates the Jetta with the 2.0L four cylinder engine at 24 city and 31 highway. These figures compare to the EPA ratings of 60mpg city and 51 highway for the Prius. The recent article o; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00291.html (9,496 bytes)
9. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins@ktc.com>; Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:53:42 -0500; You got me wondering about Jetta mileage, so I went and checked the EPA ratings. A diesel 5-spd Jetta is rated 47/36; the gas version is 31/24. We all know that the EPA ratings are pie-in-the-sky num; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00292.html (10,029 bytes)
10. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins@ktc.com>; Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 19:27:28 -0500; There's nothing special about the traction battery in the Prius. It's a bunch of Nickel Metal Hydride "D" cells and it's warranteed for 100,000 miles. What will probably happen is that by the time th; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00293.html (9,607 bytes)
11. RE: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "S Twigg" <ssdtwigg@crosslink.net>; Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:37:33 -0400; Just to add to the discussion. I drove an 89 Honda Civic CRX HF for five years and averaged about 52mpg city and 60mpg highway. It was great to go 450 - 500 miles without worrying about getting gas.; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00298.html (8,818 bytes)
12. RE: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Stephen West-Fisher" <steve@coastaldatasystems.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:56:17 -0400; Sorry for the late reply, I've been out of town. I also made a typo, replace GTI with TDI. The TDI without an automatic gets 50mpg in the real world with real drivers, mix of city and highway. It's a; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00368.html (9,776 bytes)
13. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins@ktc.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:16:40 -0500; Mind telling us where you got those numbers? Cheers, CR; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00370.html (9,027 bytes)
14. RE: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Paul M." <rowman22001@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT); Whaaaa? That seems wildly optimistic. I believe the EPA rates the car somewhere around 33 city and 46 highway, and we all know that EPA ratings are usually difficult to match in real world driving. S; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00371.html (10,035 bytes)
15. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins@ktc.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:33:37 -0500; replace world with I looked at several TDI discussion groups. The real world comments by TDI owners don't agree with your mileage claims. That's why I asked where you got thos numbers. You hop over t; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00377.html (11,005 bytes)
16. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Kai M. Radicke" <kradicke@wishboneclassics.com>; Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:39:19 -0400; Charles Robinson said... Being an avid water-cooled VW owner, I figured I would weigh in on this subject... as I can speak for all of the current VW engines bar the VR6. The 1.9TDI does indeed get 50; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00378.html (11,676 bytes)
17. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Kai M. Radicke" <kradicke@wishboneclassics.com>; Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:52:39 -0400; Those are all of the wrong areas to focus on. The problem with the newest environmental friendly vehicles, like the hybrids, is their aesthetic appeal. Is it that they have the least design prestige; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00379.html (9,454 bytes)
18. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Paul M." <rowman22001@yahoo.com>; Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:36:56 -0700 (PDT); The Prius is currently on a three to four month backorder, so it doesn't seem to me that the shape is hurting sales. Besides, hundreds of thousands of people every year buy Pontiac Azteks and Buick R; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00380.html (9,587 bytes)
19. RE: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: "Stephen West-Fisher" <steve@coastaldatasystems.com>; Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:58:08 -0400; Sure, from a colleague who drives one. And then from the web: Scott's TDI page (http://www.stealthtdi.com): "Although I'm a bit of a leadfoot, my lifetime average economy over 165,000-miles is over 4; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00382.html (9,746 bytes)
20. Re: Alternatives to de-smogging (score: 1): Author: Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins@ktc.com>; Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:44:59 -0500; I'll give you the same answer I gave another poster. I haven't seen any info from users that supports your mpg claims. If the info is out there, how about telling me where to find it. Regards, CR; /html/mgs/2004-06/msg00386.html (7,942 bytes)

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