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Re: SS/WS6 stock classification

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Subject: Re: SS/WS6 stock classification
From: SVPViper@aol.com
Date: Thu Jul 06 18:03:22 2000
Yes, '98 and up are the LS-1 variants.  I have listed below the "Optional 
Options for a LS-1 SS Camaro"  The WS-6 was a factory 1LE suspension, with less 
shock valving.  The only options from SLP for the SS were as follows...
OPTIONAL SLP CAMARO SS CONTENT (Requires Option Code Y2Y) 
  Auburn High Torque Performance Differential Offers enhanced traction and 
helps reduce differential operating temperatures under certain driving 
conditions. This system, which features a unique American Axle Manufacturing 
aluminum rear axle cover design, detects variance in the gripping force of each 
rear tire and redistributes the engine load as road conditions change, thereby 
enhancing vehicle stability and performance.   $899.00  US  $1,270.00  CANADA  
*** This is not true... I spoke with Ward Bowerman of Zexel-Torsen, the 
difference between this unit, and the '99 and up Stock Torsen is that in '99 it 
was re-tooled for Mass Production, and '98 was limited production.  Torque Bias 
is no different then all '99 and new LS-1 cars.***
 

  17" x 9" Chrome-Plated, Five-Spoke Aluminum Wheels SLP offers a lightweight, 
chrome-plated wheel for 2000 that includes a 3-year/36,000 mile limited 
warranty on the chrome finish. Wheel center-cap design features "SS" logo.   
$999.00  US  $1,400.00  CANADA   

  Performance Exhaust System with dual-dual outlets (330 Horsepower) Stainless 
steel system features dual outlets with two exhaust tips on each side, which 
provides the authoritative "exhaust note" and aggressive profile enthusiasts 
want. A freer-flowing muffler and associated hardware, combined with 
proprietary SLP technology, help increase engine output to 330 horsepower.   
$699.00  US  $990.00  CANADA  
 
*** This is a Catback system, that all F-Stock cars would do anyways.***

  Bilstein Ultra Performance Suspension System (n/a on convertible) This system 
consists of a set of progressive rate springs, panhard bar, lower control arms 
and larger front sway bar, all with harder durometer bushings. It offers a firm 
ride and results in improved handling and skid pad numbers.  $999.00  US  
$1,400.00  CANADA  

*** This is the only one that could be iffy, the bushings and sway bar are 1LE, 
I don't know about the Springs, and Shocks are matter of Choice***
 

  Premium front floor mats with embroidered Camaro SS logo Heavy-duty, custom 
fitted carpeting with aggressive nubs to hold mats firmly in place.   $99.00  
US  $139.00  CANADA   

  Castrol "Syntec" High Performance Lubricants Package Castrol "Syntec" full 
synthetic engine oil provides superior protection and performance. Castrol 
"Syntec" "protects in ways other oils can't." The Castrol "Syntec" lubricants 
package includes Castrol's 500,000-mile "Maximum Protection" limited engine 
warranty program.   $79.00  US  $110.00  CANADA  

  Custom car cover with silk-screened Camaro SS graphics Premium grade, 
breathable, water-resistant fabric. Provides protection from the elements for 
today's hottest collectible car. Includes: cable, lock, tote bag with 
silk-screened Camaro SS graphics.  
 $159.00  US  $229.00  CANADA  
 

  (Two) Camaro SS Key Fobs and (One) Dash Plaque For that final touch of 
distinction, SLP offers a high quality set of key fobs and an attractive Camaro 
SS plaque mounted on the dash.  
 $49.00  US  $70.00  CANADA  
 
The only issue here is really the grey area of springs, and this is only for a 
'98 and newer LS1 Camaro's. The WS-6 Firebirds are 100% factory GM, the only 
aftermarket is the Hood, airbox and "WS-6" badging.  It is unfair to penalize 
the Firebird for the Camaro's individuality.  The WS-6 at minimum should be let 
into FS, the SS without Y2Y option code could be also.
  See ya,
    Dave


In a message dated Thu, 6 Jul 2000  4:39:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Andrew_Bettencourt@kingston.com writes:

<< 

Kenneth,

You make all valid points.  These points are ones that the SCAC and SEB have
considered for years.  The early cars are the ones that will have documentation
issues but the problem becomes separating cars into classes based on years AND
option packages?  I don't think there is any precedent for having the same MODEL
car in two different classes with different options.

Write a letter with your best explanation on how to solve the aforementioned
problems.  How does the SEB divide the cars so that the 'tuner' piece gets
minimized?

How about all SS's and WS6's with LS1's get into FS...what year was that?  1998
and up?  Can't quite remember...

AB





kdeja - Kenneth Deja <Kenneth.Deja@acxiom.com> on 07/06/2000 04:32:26 PM

Please respond to kdeja - Kenneth Deja <Kenneth.Deja@acxiom.com>

To:   "'autox@autox.team.net'" <autox@autox.team.net>
cc:    (bcc: Andrew Bettencourt/FIELD SALES/Kingston)

Subject:  Re: SS/WS6 stock classification




As a biased WS6 owner, I'd like to add my 2 cents on the SS/WS6
reclassification topic (yeah I can hear the groans now).  With all due
respect, I don't think people or the right people know or have the
information accurate (except for those of you that agree it should be moved
to FStock :-) ).  I know and understand that the 96-97 SS/WS6 were built by
SLP and could be had with different springs and an Auburn diff. and the
classification made sense then, but the 98 to current ones are factory built
with only the hoods and wheels being added at SLP (ASC for the WS6).  The
1998 to current WS6 and Camaro SS with the level I suspension is the SAME as
the 1LE suspension (F & R springs and swaybars) without the Koni DA's or the
stiffer bushings, but with 17 inch wheels.  The fresh air hood scoops could
hardly be considered a performance gain on an autocross course, and others
have said it's a toss up between the 17 in. and the 16 in. wheels, with some
even saying the 16 inch wheel and tire is the preferable one to have.  Why
couldn't we sub-categorize this car like we do other cars  (98-current WS6
and 98-current SS with Level I suspension - Fstock)?  This sport polices
itself pretty strongly, and I believe any cheaters would be spotted and
protested.  I think those sitting 1.5" lower with 0 lean would be pretty
easy to pick out.

>> Mark Sipe wrote - Further, the fully developed, Stock class capability of
the SS/WS6 F-body has yet to ever be demonstrated, so suggesting a class
move with this circumstance generally appears to be considered premature.<<

That's because no one has been crazy enough to run it in SuperStock.  I run
mine in ESP because of the better index.  I don't think the SS and WS6 will
do any better in the "Class 2"..... class.  Looking at some of the results
from this year's Tours, AStock was always ahead of FStock, and sometimes by
a huge margin.

I think it will eventually become a better fit, with the 99+ Mustang Cobras
being sorted out and the f-bodies getting the new heads and intake from the
new LS1 in the Corvettes.  Wouldn't the SS/WS6 be good competitors against
these cars?  If it's ok to class the Mustang Cobra with the Mustang GT's,
why is it a problem to class the SS (Level I suspension) and WS6 with the
Z28 and the Formula/Trans Am?

KD (I'm reluctant to send this, but.......)








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