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Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap

To: RWM <RWM@rwmann.com>
Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap
From: Ronnie Day via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 16:10:55 -0500
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I'd suggest verifying the line fitting threads on anything you substitute.
IIRC, those threads on the OE Roadster brake components were SAE while
those on the 510, Z, etc. were metric. You might need adapters or new hard
lines with the correct fittings.

FWIW,
Ron

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:24 PM, RWM via Datsun-roadsters <
datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Anyone have experience with or know of a compatible/interchangeable 7/8"
> or 15/16" rear wheel cylinder?
>
> Looking for more rear brake bias, and based on prior notes, the 13/16"
> doesn't seem to move the meter.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -  Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2015 8:34 PM, Pete via Datsun-roadsters wrote:
>
> 15/16 is what the all drum 1500 and 410/411 use.
>
> They also have two 1-inch wheel cylinders per front wheel.
>
> Me likey disc brake mo bettah!
>
> Pete
> *From: *RWM via Datsun-roadsters
> *Sent: *Monday, August 31, 2015 4:49 PM
> *To: *Roy Haslett; Datsun Roadster Listserver
> *Reply To: *RWM
> *Subject: *Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap
>
> That seems to be the design point.
>
> I wonder what happens if you go to 7/8" or 15/16" cylinders?
>
>
> On 8/31/2015 7:37 PM, Roy Haslett wrote:
>
> If I really stand on the brakes I will get the back to lock up, but this
> is with a close adjustment, and I did not want drag on the rear so I backed
> it off a bit.  I think that the fronts are still doing 70% + of the
> stopping.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* RWM <RWM@RWMann.com> <RWM@RWMann.com>
> *To:* Roy Haslett <hrhaslett@yahoo.com> <hrhaslett@yahoo.com>; Datsun
> Roadster Listserver <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 4:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap
>
> Thanks, Roy.
>
> With the 13/16" cylinders, can you get the rears to lock up before the
> fronts? Or a rearward brake bias?
>
> - Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2015 7:13 PM, Roy Haslett wrote:
>
> Did not notice any difference, however, the brakes weren't really
> functioning very well.  All 13/16 now.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* RWM <RWM@RWMann.com> <RWM@RWMann.com>
> *To:* Roy Haslett <hrhaslett@yahoo.com> <hrhaslett@yahoo.com>; Datsun
> Roadster Listserver <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 11:41 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap
>
> Roy,
>
> I gather you didn't notice the asymmetry until the rebuild?
>
> Did you go all 3/4 or all 13/16?
>
> Any apparent difference once changed?
>
> - Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2015 2:34 PM, Roy Haslett wrote:
>
> I actually have a 67 1600 and when I went to rebuild my rear cylinders I
> discovered I had a 3/4 on one wheel and a 13/16 on the other.  13/16 is
> stock and now hard to find and expensive, but I tend to follow what was
> originally engineered and designed for the car.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* RWM via Datsun-roadsters <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> *To:* Datsun Roadster Listserver <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 30, 2015 3:14 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap
>
> Any update to this vintage 1999 thread?
>
> http://www.team.net/html/datsun-roadsters/1999-11/msg00700.html
>
> Are there functional, plug-and-play substitutions for the late roadster
> 3/4" rear wheel cylinders from other period Datsun brake parts?
>
> Such as rear wheel cylinders from the 1200, B210, 510, 617, 710?
>
> Did the debate over how to get more braking action at the rear (by using
> either 11/16 or 13/16 cylinders) ever conclude?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;d suggest verifying the line fitting threads on=
 anything you substitute. IIRC, those threads on the OE Roadster brake comp=
onents=C2=A0were SAE while those on the 510, Z, etc. were metric. You might=
 need adapters or new hard lines with the correct fittings.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>FWIW,</div><div>Ron</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:24 PM, RWM via Datsun-road=
sters <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <font size=3D"+1"><font face=3D"Trebuchet MS">Anyone have experience
        with or know of a compatible/interchangeable <font face=3D"Trebuche=
t MS">7/8&quot; or 1<font face=3D"Trebuchet MS">5/16&quot;
            rear wheel cylinder?<br>
            <br>
            <font face=3D"Trebuchet MS">Looking for more r<font face=3D"Tre=
buchet MS">ear brake bias, and based on prior
                notes, the 13/16&quot; doesn&#39;t seem to move the meter.<=
br>
                <br>
              </font></font></font></font></font></font><span>Thanks.<br>
        <br>
        <font face=3D"Trebuchet MS">-=C2=A0 <font face=3D"Trebuchet MS">Bob
            Mann, &#39;68 2000 Solex<br>
            <br>
            <br>
          </font></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
    <div>On 8/31/2015 8:34 PM, Pete via
      Datsun-roadsters wrote:<br>
    </div>
    </div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5">
      <div style=3D"width:100%;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&qu=
ot;Slate Pro&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
>15/16
        is what the all drum 1500 and 410/411 use.=C2=A0</div>
      <div style=3D"width:100%;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&qu=
ot;Slate Pro&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
><br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"width:100%;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&qu=
ot;Slate Pro&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
>They
        also have two 1-inch wheel cylinders per front wheel.=C2=A0</div>
      <div style=3D"width:100%;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&qu=
ot;Slate Pro&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
><br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"width:100%;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&qu=
ot;Slate Pro&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
>Me
        likey disc brake mo bettah!</div>
      <div style=3D"width:100%;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&qu=
ot;Slate Pro&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
><br>
      </div>
      <div style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,&quot;Slate Pr=
o&quot;,sans-serif,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Pete</div>
      <table width=3D"100%" style=3D"border-spacing:0px;background-color:wh=
ite">
        <tbody>
          <tr>
            <td style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" colspan=3D"2">
              <div>
                <div><b>From: </b>RWM via Datsun-roadsters</div>
                <div><b>Sent: </b>Monday, August 31, 2015 4:49 PM</div>
                <div><b>To: </b>Roy Haslett; Datsun Roadster Listserver</di=
v>
                <div><b>Reply To: </b>RWM</div>
                <div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap</div>
              </div>
            </td>
          </tr>
        </tbody>
      </table>
      <br>
      <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
       =20
        That seems to be the design point.=C2=A0 <br>
        <br>
        I wonder what happens if you go to 7/8&quot; or 15/16&quot; cylinde=
rs?<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div>On 8/31/2015 7:37 PM, Roy Haslett
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetic=
a Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-c=
olor:rgb(255,255,255)">
            <div dir=3D"ltr">If I
              really stand on the brakes I will get the back to lock up,
              but this is with a close adjustment, and I did not want
              drag on the rear so I backed it off a bit.=C2=A0 I think that
              the fronts are still doing 70% + of the stopping.<br>
            </div>
            <div><span></span></div>
            <br>
            <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetic=
a,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
              <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvet=
ica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">
                  <hr size=3D"1"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span=
 style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                    RWM <a href=3D"mailto:RWM@RWMann.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
>&lt;RWM@RWMann.com&gt;</a><br>
                    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                    Roy Haslett <a href=3D"mailto:hrhaslett@yahoo.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">&lt;hrhaslett@yahoo.com&gt;</a>;
                    Datsun Roadster Listserver <a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roa=
dsters@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net&gt;<=
/a>
                    <br>
                    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                    Monday, August 31, 2015 4:23 PM<br>
                    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                    Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap<br>
                  </a></font> </div>
                <div><br>
                  <div>
                    <div> Thanks,
                      Roy.<br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      With the 13/16&quot; cylinders, can you get the rears
                      to lock up before the fronts? Or a rearward brake
                      bias?<br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      - Bob<br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      <div><br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>On
                          8/31/2015 7:13 PM, Roy Haslett wrote:<br clear=3D=
"none">
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                          <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
icaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:1=
6px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Did not
                            notice any difference, however, the brakes
                            weren&#39;t really functioning very well.=C2=A0=
 All
                            13/16 now.<br clear=3D"none">
                            <div><span></span></div>
                            <br clear=3D"none">
                            <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helveti=
ca Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
                              <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helve=
tica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
                                <div dir=3D"ltr">
                                  <hr size=3D"1"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=
=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                                    RWM <a href=3D"mailto:RWM@RWMann.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">&lt;RWM@RWMann.com&gt;</a>=
<br clear=3D"none">
                                    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:=
</span></b>
                                    Roy Haslett <a href=3D"mailto:hrhaslett=
@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:hrhaslett@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;hrhaslett@yahoo.com&gt;</a>=
;
                                    Datsun Roadster Listserver <a href=3D"m=
ailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:=
datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;datsun-roadsters@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;</a>
                                    <br clear=3D"none">
                                    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sen=
t:</span></b>
                                    Monday, August 31, 2015 11:41 AM<br cle=
ar=3D"none">
                                    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sub=
ject:</span></b>
                                    Re: [Roadsters] Rear Brake Swap<br clea=
r=3D"none">
                                  </a></a></font> </div>
                                <div><br clear=3D"none">
                                  <div>
                                    <div> <font size=3D"+1"><font face=3D"T=
rebuchet MS">Roy,<br clear=3D"none">
                                          <br clear=3D"none">
                                          I gather you didn&#39;t notice th=
e
                                          asymmetry until the rebuild?<br c=
lear=3D"none">
                                          <br clear=3D"none">
                                          Did you go all 3/4 or all
                                          13/16?<br clear=3D"none">
                                          <br clear=3D"none">
                                          Any apparent difference once
                                          changed?<br clear=3D"none">
                                          <br clear=3D"none">
                                          - Bob<br clear=3D"none">
                                        </font></font><br clear=3D"none">
                                      <br clear=3D"none">
                                      <br clear=3D"none">
                                      <div><br clear=3D"none">
                                        <br clear=3D"none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>On


                                          8/31/2015 2:34 PM, Roy Haslett
                                          wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                                          <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fo=
nt-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-s=
erif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
                                            <div dir=3D"ltr">I actually
                                              have a 67 1600 and when I
                                              went to rebuild my rear
                                              cylinders I discovered I
                                              had a 3/4 on one wheel and
                                              a 13/16 on the other.=C2=A0
                                              13/16 is stock and now
                                              hard to find and
                                              expensive, but I tend to
                                              follow what was originally
                                              engineered and designed
                                              for the car.<br clear=3D"none=
">
                                            </div>
                                            <br clear=3D"none">
                                            <div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
ticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:=
16px">
                                              <div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
veticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:16px">
                                                <div dir=3D"ltr">
                                                  <hr size=3D"1"> <font fac=
e=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b=
> RWM via Datsun-roadsters <a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">&lt;datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none=
">
                                                    <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                                                    Datsun Roadster
                                                    Listserver <a href=3D"m=
ailto:datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank"><a href=3D"mailto:=
datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">&lt;datsun-roadsters@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;</a>
                                                    <br clear=3D"none">
                                                    <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                                                    Sunday, August 30,
                                                    2015 3:14 PM<br clear=
=3D"none">
                                                    <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                                                    Re: [Roadsters] Rear
                                                    Brake Swap<br clear=3D"=
none">
                                                  </a></a></font> </div>
                                                <div><br clear=3D"none">
                                                  Any update to this
                                                  vintage 1999 thread?<br c=
lear=3D"none">
                                                  <br clear=3D"none">
                                                  <a href=3D"http://www.tea=
m.net/html/datsun-roadsters/1999-11/msg00700.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"><a href=3D"http://www.team.net/html/datsun-roadst=
ers/1999-11/msg00700.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/html/datsu=
n-roadsters/1999-11/msg00700.html</a><br clear=3D"none">
                                                  <br clear=3D"none">
                                                  Are there functional,
                                                  plug-and-play
                                                  substitutions for the
                                                  late roadster <br clear=
=3D"none">
                                                  3/4&quot; rear wheel
                                                  cylinders from other
                                                  period Datsun brake
                                                  parts?<br clear=3D"none">
                                                  <br clear=3D"none">
                                                  Such as rear wheel
                                                  cylinders from the
                                                  1200, B210, 510, 617,
                                                  710?<br clear=3D"none">
                                                  <br clear=3D"none">
                                                  Did the debate over
                                                  how to get more
                                                  braking action at the
                                                  rear (by using <br clear=
=3D"none">
                                                  either 11/16 or 13/16
                                                  cylinders) ever
                                                  conclude?<br clear=3D"non=
e">
                                                  <br clear=3D"none">
                                                  Thanks.<br clear=3D"none"=
>
                                                  <br clear=3D"none">
                                                  - Bob Mann, &#39;68 2000
                                                  Solex</a></div>
                                              </div>
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