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Rocky, I had heard somewhere that kerosene did about the same thing to tire=
s as Formula V.=A0 Is there anything to that?=A0 Jim=0A =0A=0A_____________=
___________________=0A From: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>=0ATo: she=
rry robyn <sherryjimmy6116@att.net> =0ACc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fo=
t@autox.team.net> =0ASent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM=0ASubject:=
Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AI'd paint 'em until they just=
would not take any =0Amore. =0A=A0 =0AFirst time I used it I brought back =
a set of 2-year-old slicks =0Athat had gone rock hard but still had half th=
e tread depth left, took about 2/3 =0Aof the bottle. That was the first set=
of tires I ever ran to cord. =0A=A0 =0A3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 1=
2 coats starting about 9 am =0Aand going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coa=
ts a day kinda assumes a weekend =0Aracer working in the evenings, not a pr=
ofessional race team crew member. It also =0Aworks better if the tires are =
scuffed and not glazed. Need =0Ato let one coat soak in (tires aren't shiny=
wet any more) before the next one. =0AWhen they're "done", even if the tir=
e isn't shiny wet it just runs off and onto =0Athe ground (or your catch bu=
cket). They may still feel "greasy" for a day or so, =0Awhich is why the 2-=
day wait (I won't even put the car on the ground/trailer for =0A2 days). It=
's also why you can give them one coat at the track overnight after it's be=
en run that day, but no more (you're also working with =0Afreshly scrubbed =
tires, which allows the FVTT to soak in =0Amore easily). That's a tip I got=
from the FVTT guy, it's not one he advertises =0Abecause it's too easy to =
misuse it. =0A=A0 =0AOnce you've got the tires done the first time, it need=
s just =0A3-4 coats between events and shortly before next event -- assumin=
g "between" =0Ameans 2-4 weeks and not next year. =0A=A0 =0AI'd tell people=
it's not a softener, it's a restorer. It won't =0Amake your street rocks i=
nto racing gumballs, but it'll bring any tire back to =0Ait's original duro=
meter specs. =0A=A0 =0AI peddled the stuff about 25 years and I believe in =
it. When I =0Aretired I passed my franchise to Solo Performance Specialties=
(Dave Whitworth, =0Awho's a friend). =0A=A0 =0A--Rocky =0A----- Original =
Message ----- =0A>From: sherry robyn =0A>To: Rocky Entriken =0A>Cc: 'Fr=
iends of Triumph' Triumph =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:33 PM=
=0A>Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever =0Aslicks =0A>=0A> =0A>Rocky, how many c=
oats did you put on before=A0a weekend?=A0 Formula V directions say to put=
3 to 4 coats for 3 days.=A0 Did you do more than this?=A0 I've put on lot=
s of coats with limited success but maybe I stopped short.=A0 The Formula =
V directions also=A0say to wait 48 hours before racing so I have not done =
subsequent coats for a two day event.=A0 When you say one coat to refresh =
them, I could see that this might work.=A0 The directions had me not going=
there.=A0 Jim =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: =
Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>=0A>To: Robert M. Lang <lang@isis.mit=
.edu>; Scott Janzen <Janzen@REcatalyst.com> =0A>Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' T=
riumph <fot@autox.team.net> =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:49 P=
M=0A>Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks=0A> =0A>=0A>Formula V -- I used =
to sell the stuff for many =0A years (retired now) and still use it. My ex=
perience is people who said the =0A tires went off didn't do it enough. My=
analogy is the tire is like a hard =0A dried sponge, infuse it with enoug=
h of the right liquid and it's soft again. =0A I'd juice mine until the st=
uff ran off and it just would not soak in any more =0A (paint on a treatme=
nt, wait an hour, repeat). For multi-day events, one coat =0A (and ONLY on=
e) in the paddock overnight to refresh them. Almost always used my =0A tir=
es until the cord showed up.=0A>=0A>--Rocky Entriken=0A>=0A>----- Original =
=0A Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang@isis.mit.edu>=0A>To: "Scott=
=0A Janzen" <Janzen@REcatalyst.com>=0A>Cc: =0A "'Friends of Triumph' Tri=
umph" <fot@autox.team.net>=0A>Sent: =0A Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01=
AM=0A>Subject: Re: [Fot] cantilever =0A slicks=0A>=0A>=0A>> On Tue, 17 Se=
p 2013, Scott Janzen wrote:=0A>> =0A>>> so, I'm planning on breaking out th=
e ex-Schneider-Bond-Wheeler =0A TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debat=
ing whether I need new tires.=A0 =0A There's plenty of rubber left on the =
Goodyear Eagles (23x9x15), but as you =0A might know, Goodyear doesn't mak=
e these anymore and haven't for a few years, =0A so I think they are 4-5 y=
ears old, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften =0A them up with Formul=
a V (tire softener), or spring for a new set of =0A Hoosiers?=A0 Not going=
vintage at this point - with the suspension setup, =0A the fiberglass fla=
res, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.=0A>>> =0A>>> I don't have any=
experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =0A them for a bit longe=
r or have they aged out?=0A>> =0A>> You can get away =0A with traction com=
pound, but you def. won't get optimal performance from the =0A tires. The =
other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, you get only a =0A few =
laps before they start going off. Or at least that's my =0A experience.=0A=
>> =0A>> If you want tires on a budget, try using some =0A cast-off Hoosie=
r R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys usually have =0A some.=0A>=
> =0A>> regards,=0A>> rml=0A>> =0A ---------------------------------------=
------------------------------------=0A>> =0A Bob Lang=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 Triumph TR6!!=A0 =0A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 |=A0 This space for rent=
=0A>> Former =0A NER Solo Chair=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 |=0A>> Voice:617-253-7438=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A |=A0 Cell: 339-927-4489=0A>> =0A --------=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Rocky, I had heard so=
mewhere that kerosene did about the same thing to tires as Formula V. =
Is there anything to that? Jim</span></div><div><br></div> <div sty=
le=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div st=
yle=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12p=
t;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"hr" style=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding:=
0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; fo=
nt-size: 0px;" contenteditable=3D"false" readonly=3D"true"></div> <font fa=
ce=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span>=
</b> Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com><br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">To:</span></b> sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116@att.net> =
<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'Friends of Triump=
h' Triumph
<fot@autox.team.net> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent=
:</span></b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] cantilever slicks<br> </fon=
t> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><meta http-equiv=3D"x-dns-pref=
etch-control" content=3D"off"><div id=3D"yiv274816783">=0A=0A =0A =0A<style=
></style>=0A=0A<div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">I'd paint 'em until they just =
would not take any =0Amore.</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font>&nb=
sp;</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">First time I used it I brought back a set=
of 2-year-old slicks =0Athat had gone rock hard but still had half the tre=
ad depth left, took about 2/3 =0Aof the bottle. That was the first set of t=
ires I ever ran to cord.</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font> =
</div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">3 to 4 coats a day for 3 days, or 12 coats s=
tarting about 9 am =0Aand going to 9 pm -- about the same. 3-4 coats a day =
kinda assumes a weekend =0Aracer working in the evenings, not a professiona=
l race team crew member. It also =0Aworks better if the tires are scuffed a=
nd not glazed. </font><font size=3D"2">Need =0Ato let one coat soak in (tir=
es aren't shiny wet any more) before the next one. =0AWhen they're "done", =
even if the tire isn't shiny wet it just runs off and onto =0Athe ground (o=
r your catch bucket). They may still feel "greasy" for a day or so, =0Awhic=
h is why the 2-day wait (I won't even put the car on the ground/trailer for=
=0A2 days). It's also why you can give them one coat at the track overnigh=
t =0A<u>after</u> it's been run that day, but no more (you're also working =
with =0Afr</font><font size=3D"2">eshly scrubbed tires, which allows the FV=
TT to soak in =0Amore easily). That's a tip I got from the FVTT guy, it's n=
ot one he advertises =0Abecause it's too easy to misuse it.</font></div>=0A=
<div><font size=3D"2"></font> </div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">Once you'=
ve got the tires done the first time, it needs just =0A3-4 coats between ev=
ents and shortly before next event -- assuming "between" =0Ameans 2-4 weeks=
and not next year.</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font> </div=
>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">I'd tell people it's not a softener, it's a resto=
rer. It won't =0Amake your street rocks into racing gumballs, but it'll bri=
ng any tire back to =0Ait's original durometer specs.</font></div>=0A<div><=
font size=3D"2"></font> </div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2">I peddled the s=
tuff about 25 years and I believe in it. When I =0Aretired I passed my fran=
chise to Solo Performance Specialties (Dave Whitworth, =0Awho's a friend). =
</font></div>=0A<div><font size=3D"2"></font> </div>=0A<div><font size=
=3D"2">--Rocky</font></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"padding-right: 0px; padd=
ing-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(=
0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;" dir=3D"ltr">=
=0A <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-st=
retch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>=0A <div style=3D"backg=
round: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none;=
font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> =0A <a title=3D"sherryjimmy6116@att.n=
et" href=3D"mailto:sherryjimmy6116@att.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sherryjimmy6116@att.net";>sherry =0A robyn</a> </div>=
=0A <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-st=
retch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"rocky@spitfire4.com" href=3D"mailto:=
rocky@spitfire4.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:r=
ocky@spitfire4.com">Rocky Entriken</a> </div>=0A <div style=3D"font: 10pt/=
normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a =
title=3D"fot@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>'Friends of T=
riumph' Triumph</a> </div>=0A <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; font-=
size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September=
18, 2013 4:33 =0A PM</div>=0A <div style=3D"font: 10pt/normal arial; fon=
t-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] canti=
lever =0Aslicks</div>=0A <div><br></div>=0A <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; backgroun=
d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">=0A <div><span>Rocky, how many coats did you=
put on before a weekend? =0A Formula V directions say to put 3=
to 4 coats for 3 days. Did you do more =0A than this? <var id=
=3D"yiv274816783yui-ie-cursor"></var>I've put on lots of coats with =0A li=
mited success but maybe I stopped short. The Formula V directions =0A=
also say to wait 48 hours before racing so I have not done subsequen=
t =0A coats for a two day event. When you say one coat to refresh th=
em, I =0A could see that this might work. The directions had me not =
going =0A there. Jim</span></div>=0A <div><br></div>=0A <div style=
=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">=0A <div =
style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 1=
2pt;">=0A <div dir=3D"ltr">=0A <div class=3D"yiv274816783hr" style=3D"mar=
gin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0=
px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;"></div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">=
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rocky Entriken =0A =
<rocky@spitfire4.com><br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</s=
pan></b> Robert M. Lang =0A <lang@isis.mit.edu>; Scott Janzen <Ja=
nzen@REcatalyst.com> =0A <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:<=
/span></b> 'Friends of Triumph' =0A Triumph <fot@autox.team.net> <br=
><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Septembe=
r 18, 2013 1:49 =0A PM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</=
span></b> Re: [Fot] =0A cantilever slicks<br></font></div>=0A <div class=
=3D"yiv274816783y_msg_container"><br>Formula V -- I used to sell the stuff =
for many =0A years (retired now) and still use it. My experience is people=
who said the =0A tires went off didn't do it enough. My analogy is the ti=
re is like a hard =0A dried sponge, infuse it with enough of the right liq=
uid and it's soft again. =0A I'd juice mine until the stuff ran off and it=
just would not soak in any more =0A (paint on a treatment, wait an hour, =
repeat). For multi-day events, one coat =0A (and ONLY one) in the paddock =
overnight to refresh them. Almost always used my =0A tires until the cord =
showed up.<br><br>--Rocky Entriken<br><br>----- Original =0A Message -----=
From: "Robert M. Lang" <<a href=3D"mailto:lang@isis.mit.edu"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:lang@isis.mit.edu";>lang@isis.mit=
.edu</a>><br>To: "Scott =0A Janzen" <<a href=3D"mailto:Janzen@REcata=
lyst.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:Janzen@REcat=
alyst.com">Janzen@REcatalyst.com</a>><br>Cc: =0A "'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
<br>Sent: =0A Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:01 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] =
cantilever =0A slicks<br><br><br>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Scott Janzen wr=
ote:<br>> =0A <br>>> so, I'm planning on breaking out the ex-Schn=
eider-Bond-Wheeler =0A TR4 for a couple of runs this fall - debating wheth=
er I need new tires. =0A There's plenty of rubber left on the Goodye=
ar Eagles (23x9x15), but as you =0A might know, Goodyear doesn't make thes=
e anymore and haven't for a few years, =0A so I think they are 4-5 years o=
ld, minimum (no date codes). Should I soften =0A them up with Formula V (t=
ire softener), or spring for a new set of =0A Hoosiers? Not going vi=
ntage at this point - with the suspension setup, =0A the fiberglass flares=
, etc, I'm going to keep the car as it is.<br>>> =0A <br>>> I =
don't have any experience with tires like this . . . can I milk =0A them f=
or a bit longer or have they aged out?<br>> <br>> You can get away =
=0A with traction compound, but you def. won't get optimal performance fro=
m the =0A tires. The other problem is that after you "juice" the tires, yo=
u get only a =0A few laps before they start going off. Or at least that's =
my =0A experience.<br>> <br>> If you want tires on a budget, try usi=
ng some =0A cast-off Hoosier R45 compound 23x9.5x15's. The used tires guys=
usually have =0A some.<br>> <br>> regards,<br>> rml<br>> =0A =
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umph TR6!! =0A | This space=
for rent<br>> Former =0A NER Solo Chair &nb=
sp; =0A |<br>> =
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