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I have not followed all of this thread, so this may be duplication.=C2=A0 W=
hen the major oil brands lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline =
VR1 Racing Oil, continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amoun=
t (%) of ZDDP changed or not.=C2=A0 Valvoline advertises this oil as contai=
ning ZDDP and recommends it for flat tappet engines.=C2=A0 Therefore, I hav=
e continued to use Valvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet cars.=C2=
=A0 I also used this same oil in my race car for 24 years and have never ha=
d an oil related failure in either the race car or my street cars.=C2=A0 My=
comments apply to break in oils as well as normal running oil.=C2=A0 I jus=
t use a lighter weight for breaking in a street engine.=C2=A0 No break-in r=
equired on race engines.
Jack
From: Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Bill Dentinger <BillDentin@aol.com>; Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton5=
4@gmail.com>=20
Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" <t>=20
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil
=20
Interesting, I was recently getting opinions onRotella locally, as I've hea=
rd from a couple of guys they run it in this andthat HP motors on a regular=
basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I sent a note to Shell andthey=
say =E2=80=9CT6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 parts permillion of ZDDP=E2=
=80=9D.=C2=A0 This is aboutthe same as the Mobil One I run. That said a loc=
al detractor said it has toomuch detergent in his opinion.
SOoooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthandexperience, but =
am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW the Rotella isn't=
particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs most others are 5=
qt.
ThanksBrian=C2=A0Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com
=20
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>=20
Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil
=20
I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do endorse =
Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in oil.=C2=A0 I always used it exclusi=
vely in the diesel engine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to break in rac=
e engines as well.
Bill Dentinger
=C2=A0=20
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
wrote:
>=20
> I am likewise a distrustful of Lucas oil.=C2=A0 The gear lube display oft=
en seen on the counter at auto parts stores demonstrates the climbing effec=
t of their lube and they claim this makes it better than conventional gear =
lubricants, however, an experimental demonstration posted on the bobistheoi=
lguy website revealed that the lube picked up a large mount of air compared=
to 'regular' gear lube.=C2=A0 It makes me distrust their other products.
>=20
> I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properly, and the=
n did break in miles with Rotella.
>=20
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>=20
>> On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote:
>> I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubrication additives I have fo=
und end up in the pan and have the consistency of hard Jello. I called Luca=
s and they couldn't put me in contact with an engineer that could explain w=
hy their products do this.
>>=20
>> When I build an engine with a new cam and lifters I use Shell Rotella 15=
w40 exclusively.
>>=20
>> I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slimey stuff) with no is=
sues however.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot wrote:
>>> Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibbs in the past=
but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>>=20
>>>=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8275"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8665">I have not followed all of this thr=
ead, so this may be duplication. When the major oil brands lowered th=
e ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, continued to have Z=
DDP, but I am not sure whether the amount (%) of ZDDP changed or not. =
Valvoline advertises this oil as containing ZDDP and recommends it for fla=
t tappet engines. Therefore, I have continued to use Valvoline Racing=
Oil in all of my flat tappet cars. I also used this same oil in my r=
ace car for 24 years and have never had an oil related failure in either th=
e race car or my street cars. My comments apply to break in oils as w=
ell as normal running oil. I just use a lighter weight for breaking i=
n a street engine. No break-in required on race engines.<br></span></=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8711" dir=3D"ltr"><br><span></spa=
n></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8712" dir=3D"ltr"><span>Jack<=
/span></div><br> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8263" style=3D"font=
-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sa=
ns-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8262" st=
yle=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida=
Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14288391820=
00_8261" dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14288391820=
00_8264" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_893=
9"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8938" style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>From:</span></b> Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br> <b =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8941"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14288391820=
00_8940" style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bill Dentinger <Bil=
lDentin@aol.com>; Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com> <b=
r><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "fot@autox.team.net"=
<t> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sund=
ay, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subjec=
t:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8265" class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv=
5785882265"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8267"><div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1428839182000_8266" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-fam=
ily:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_=
16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"=
yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10023" style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca, sans-serif;">Interesting, I was recently getting opinions on
Rotella locally, as I've heard from a couple of guys they run it in this an=
d
that HP motors on a regular basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I s=
ent a note to Shell and
they say =E2=80=9CT</span><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265=
yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9587" style=3D"">6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 =
parts per
million of ZDDP</span>=E2=80=9D. This is about
the same as the Mobil One I run. That said a local detractor said it has to=
o
much detergent in his opinion.</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5=
785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><br clear=3D"none"></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9373">
</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_14288392=
37283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10030" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;=
">SOoooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand
experience, but am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW t=
he Rotella isn't particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs m=
ost others are 5 qt.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785=
882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv578588=
2265" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></spa=
n></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"y=
iv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10437" style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a, sans-serif;">Thanks</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr"=
id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span clas=
s=3D"yiv5785882265" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Brian</spa=
n></div><div></div><div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9586"=
> </div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265signature" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3=
_16_0_1_1428839237283_9374">Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 C=
ell <br clear=3D"none">BSchirano@yahoo.com</div><br clear=3D"none"> <=
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65yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9376"> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></=
div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv5785882265yqtfd03104=
"><hr id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9375" size=3D"1"> <fon=
t id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9379" face=3D"Arial" size=
=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9918"><span id=3D"=
yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9917" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">F=
rom:</span></b> Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=
=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9916"><span id=
=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9915" style=3D"font-weight:bold=
;">To:</span></b> Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com> <br c=
lear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "fot@auto=
x.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net> <br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM<br=
clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> R=
e: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br clear=3D"none"> </font> </div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv5785882265yqtfd19714"> </div><di=
v class=3D"yiv5785882265y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_14=
28839237283_9689"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv578588=
2265yqtfd82223"><br clear=3D"none">I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas O=
il products, but I sure do endorse Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in =
oil. I always used it exclusively in the diesel engine in my tow vehi=
cle, and we used it to break in race engines as well.<br clear=3D"none"><br=
clear=3D"none">Bill Dentinger<br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPad<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br c=
lear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> I am likewise a distrustful of L=
ucas oil. The gear lube display often seen on the counter at auto par=
ts stores demonstrates the climbing effect of their lube and they claim thi=
s makes it better than conventional gear lubricants, however, an experiment=
al demonstration posted on the bobistheoilguy website revealed that the lub=
e picked up a large mount of air compared to 'regular' gear lube. It =
makes me distrust their other products.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D=
"none">> I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properl=
y, and then did break in miles with Rotella.<br clear=3D"none">> <br cle=
ar=3D"none">> Duncan<br clear=3D"none">> (Texas)<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; <br clear=3D"none">>> On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wro=
te:<br clear=3D"none">>> I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lub=
rication additives I have found end up in the pan and have the consistency =
of hard Jello. I called Lucas and they couldn't put me in contact with an e=
ngineer that could explain why their products do this.<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;> <br clear=3D"none">>> When I build an engine with a new cam an=
d lifters I use Shell Rotella 15w40 exclusively.<br clear=3D"none">>>=
<br clear=3D"none">>> I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (stick=
y slimey stuff) with no issues however.<br clear=3D"none">>> <br clea=
r=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>>=
<br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none"=
>>>> On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot wrote:<br=
clear=3D"none">>>> Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've u=
sed joe Gibbs in the past but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1=
.<br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Thanks<br =
clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"no=
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